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Jason
29 May 2015, 10:16 AM
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Can anyone answer how resources work? Specifically if there's a multiplier or if some factions get more than others and why? Thanks
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FichtenMoped
29 May 2015, 10:33 AM
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The more strategic points you have the more resources you will get. Normal strategic points give you plus +2 Fuel and 3 Muni (correct me if I am incorrect) and the dedicated fuel gives you 7 Fuel and dedicated munitions points gives you 6 Munitions per second extra.

The only faction that has a reduced income is OKW who only gets 80% of the munitions income.
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CookiezNcreem
29 May 2015, 11:01 AM
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Also Manpower income is tied to how much popcap you're using, so the more popcap heavy units you have, the more your manpower income will slow.

That's why having all 3 officers + 3-4 squads of infantry + vehicles as USF,or 2 tigers and a decent amount of infantry as ostheer is tough to maintain. Your manpower income will be crippled.(also called Bleeding out)
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G4bb4_G4nd4lf
29 May 2015, 11:05 AM
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Normal points generate 3 fuel and 5 munitions.

Fuel points generate 7 fuel, munitions points generate 11 munitions.

OKW gets 80% muni and 66% fuel per point.
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FichtenMoped
29 May 2015, 11:24 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 May 2015, 11:05 AMG4bb4_G4nd4lf
Normal points generate 3 fuel and 5 munitions.

Fuel points generate 7 fuel, munitions points generate 11 munitions.

OKW gets 80% muni and 66% fuel per point.


Thanks :P I suck when it comes to numbers ^^
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Alexzandvar
29 May 2015, 11:36 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 May 2015, 11:05 AMG4bb4_G4nd4lf
Normal points generate 3 fuel and 5 munitions.

Fuel points generate 7 fuel, munitions points generate 11 munitions.

OKW gets 80% muni and 66% fuel per point.


This isn't true for OKW, due to the fact the game cannot into fractions.

All OKW fuel income gets a .66 modifier, now, you might think this means that you get exactly that but because you can't get fractions of a fuel the game is forced to round up or down to give you correct fuel income.

Normal points give OKW 1.98 fuel, which rounds to two which is very close to 2 so it doesn't matter much. What's tricky is fuel points give you 4.62 fuel, but round up to 5 so in the long run OKW benefits pretty significantly from fuel points which is why if you can afford it just cede map control to capture both fuel points at all costs.

Normal points give you a perfect .66 of 4, so no math there, and munitions points give you 8.8 which rounds to 9.

So depending on fuel points you might between 70-74%
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G4bb4_G4nd4lf
29 May 2015, 12:03 PM
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@Alexzandvar I know it's not exactly 80% or 66%. I just stated the "official" ressource income.

@Fichtenmoped NP :D
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29 May 2015, 12:11 PM
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Thunderhun
29 May 2015, 12:34 PM
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1 pop cap = 1.5 manpower

So USF can increase their MP income by decrewing their vehicles (Priest for example).
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Jason
29 May 2015, 12:37 PM
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I only ask because in my latest 2v2 game, well look:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9zx76f&s=8#.VWhcs0b8uq4

My opponent (Prince) had consistently higher resources. Now look at who controlled the points...

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=k16idv&s=8#.VWhdQ0b8uq4

See the problem?

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Corsin
29 May 2015, 12:45 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 May 2015, 12:37 PMJason
I only ask because in my latest 2v2 game, well look:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9zx76f&s=8#.VWhcs0b8uq4

My opponent (Prince) had consistently higher resources. Now look at who controlled the points...

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=k16idv&s=8#.VWhdQ0b8uq4

See the problem?




Yeah thats probably due to your field presence, more units = less manpower income.












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ferwiner
29 May 2015, 12:49 PM
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The first graph says that he was just floating resources (probably muni as allies tend to do this) the whole game not that he was earning them faster. Looking at the angle between graph and x axis you can see that his income was usually worse and sometimes the same as yours. It may mean that he had more caches or that you played okw.
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Jason
29 May 2015, 13:53 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 May 2015, 12:49 PMferwiner
The first graph says that he was just floating resources (probably muni as allies tend to do this) the whole game not that he was earning them faster. Looking at the angle between graph and x axis you can see that his income was usually worse and sometimes the same as yours. It may mean that he had more caches or that you played okw.


I thought that too but he had no caches. I had 1. I was Ostheer aswell.
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dbmb
29 May 2015, 14:11 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 May 2015, 11:36 AMAlexzandvar


This isn't true for OKW, due to the fact the game cannot into fractions.

All OKW fuel income gets a .66 modifier, now, you might think this means that you get exactly that but because you can't get fractions of a fuel the game is forced to round up or down to give you correct fuel income.

Normal points give OKW 1.98 fuel, which rounds to two which is very close to 2 so it doesn't matter much. What's tricky is fuel points give you 4.62 fuel, but round up to 5 so in the long run OKW benefits pretty significantly from fuel points which is why if you can afford it just cede map control to capture both fuel points at all costs.

Normal points give you a perfect .66 of 4, so no math there, and munitions points give you 8.8 which rounds to 9.

So depending on fuel points you might between 70-74%


Your income is incremented every game tick as a float. The displayed value is rounded for readability, but has no impact on your income rate.
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Alexzandvar
29 May 2015, 15:07 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 May 2015, 14:11 PMdbmb


Your income is incremented every game tick as a float. The displayed value is rounded for readability, but has no impact on your income rate.


I would need to check for the files for that, since it seems every time Iv played that math lines up with OKW benefiting from having more specialized points over having more normal points.
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Schewi
29 May 2015, 15:15 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 May 2015, 11:05 AMG4bb4_G4nd4lf
Normal points generate 3 fuel and 5 munitions.

Fuel points generate 7 fuel, munitions points generate 11 munitions.

OKW gets 80% muni and 66% fuel per point.


All the values are per Minute to be precise. Otherwise new people won't understand.
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ferwiner
29 May 2015, 15:40 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 May 2015, 13:53 PMJason


I thought that too but he had no caches. I had 1. I was Ostheer aswell.


Watch the replay if you have it, you can see incomes of all players in every second of the match that way. You can also upload it here.
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Diva1013
1 Jun 2015, 22:46 PM
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Cool. I always wondered how this worked as well. Thought maybe i was doing something wrong because my income keep going down. Now i know why i get less. is because i have alot of guys out. :)
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some one
1 Jun 2015, 23:10 PM
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OKW has no problem with manpower
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Thunderhun
1 Jun 2015, 23:15 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 23:10 PMsome one
OKW has no problem with manpower


Unless they face soviets...
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