The Jackson has better damage, armor, and pen, but at a cost of 125 fuel (45 more fuel than the wolverine) how much better is it? You can get 3 wolverines for the price of 2 jacksons and you can also completely skip the major and save another 90 fuel. It total you can have 4 wolverines or 2 jacksons + a major. The Wolverines are also a lot better at running over infantry than the Jackson, especially with the faster movement ability. You also don't have to get 3/4 wolverines as you can get 2 wolverines and a bulldozer or something similar to that.
Jackson vs Wolverine
19 May 2015, 21:19 PM
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19 May 2015, 21:20 PM
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Jackson better at slugging it out especially with HVAP
M10 better at flanking
M10 better at flanking
19 May 2015, 22:09 PM
#3
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I have found the M10 to be most useful as a safety measure against things like Ostwinds and Luchs. It can be great at shutting down those kinds of shock units since it can come out of nowhere so easily.
Other than that, it pretty much under performs in every way except infantry crushing.
Other than that, it pretty much under performs in every way except infantry crushing.
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20 May 2015, 02:39 AM
#4
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fighting Vs with m10s sucks.
20 May 2015, 03:33 AM
#5
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Even at vet 3 the M10 can do almost nothing to Panthers and Tigers. I would like to see the M10 become non-doctrinal in the captain tier. Perhaps lock it behind a nominal upgrade that makes you pick pack howitzer or m10.
20 May 2015, 03:56 AM
#6
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M10 also feels more paper than jackson, I always think M10 is US version of Puma, not as a TD
20 May 2015, 04:18 AM
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M10 also feels more paper than jackson, I always think M10 is US version of Puma, not as a TD
update ur game
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
20 May 2015, 04:23 AM
#8
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update ur game
He's not wrong, an M10 is just a Puma with better stats/armor.
Name:
f34 76mm T-34 Gun
File name:
m10_m5_3inch_gun_mp.xml
Nation:
usa
Penetration:
180.0/160.0/140.0
Scatter angle:
7.5
Scatter distance:
8.0
AoE radius:
0.5
AoE far:
0.25
AoE mid:
0.2
AoE near:
0.15
Name:
5cm KwK 39 L/60 (Puma)
File name:
sdkfz_234_puma_kwk39_5cm_mp.xml
Nation:
oberkommando
Penetration:
160.0/120.0/80.0
Scatter angle:
7.5
Scatter distance:
9.5
AoE radius:
0.5
AoE far:
0.25
AoE mid:
0.2
AoE near:
0.1
20 May 2015, 04:24 AM
#9
Posts: 270
Paper? Read the latest patch notes.
@OP: For team games jackson and for 1v1, M10. The Jackson has better vet bonuses, reliable PEN/DPS and overall is a kickass TD. It's slightly garbage before reaching vet 1 though.
@OP: For team games jackson and for 1v1, M10. The Jackson has better vet bonuses, reliable PEN/DPS and overall is a kickass TD. It's slightly garbage before reaching vet 1 though.
I'll try again.
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20 May 2015, 04:27 AM
#10
Posts: 622
update ur game
I said what I felt, it is just my opinion, it don't have to be truth you know.
20 May 2015, 04:41 AM
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Permanently BannedM10 also feels more paper than jackson,
He's not wrong, an M10 is just a Puma with better stats/armor.
sigh...
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
20 May 2015, 04:51 AM
#12
Posts: 67
Even at vet 3 the M10 can do almost nothing to Panthers and Tigers. I would like to see the M10 become non-doctrinal in the captain tier. Perhaps lock it behind a nominal upgrade that makes you pick pack howitzer or m10.
Killed a Kingtiger with Wolves, rear and side armor. Front armor penetration is impossible for the wolverin
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20 May 2015, 05:12 AM
#13
Posts: 27
I just played a game trying out the wolverines. I had 3 of them and surrounded and killed a tiger with ease while my bulldozers cleaned up the pak guns and grens. For the price of 1 tiger you get about 3 wolverines.
20 May 2015, 05:41 AM
#14
7 Posts: 1664
I just played a game trying out the wolverines. I had 3 of them and surrounded and killed a tiger with ease while my bulldozers cleaned up the pak guns and grens. For the price of 1 tiger you get about 3 wolverines.
Was that against A.I. or a real person?
20 May 2015, 05:44 AM
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Even at vet 3 the M10 can do almost nothing to Panthers and Tigers. I would like to see the M10 become non-doctrinal in the captain tier. Perhaps lock it behind a nominal upgrade that makes you pick pack howitzer or m10.
M10 is not made to fight Tigers and Panthers. He is for stopping ostheer T3 units together with Pumas and pzIIs. And it does a good job because it can be spamed in numbers, it's fast and it can crush infantry, as a bonus.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
20 May 2015, 05:49 AM
#16
Posts: 55
Paper? Read the latest patch notes.
@OP: For team games jackson and for 1v1, M10. The Jackson has better vet bonuses, reliable PEN/DPS and overall is a kickass TD. It's slightly garbage before reaching vet 1 though.
Just because they told you they raised the pen on the jackson in patch notes, that doesn't mean you will notice it in game much, if at all. The Jackson still bounces like crazy on anything bigger than a p4, and now when you do score a hit you do less damage then you used to, making it harder to back off heavy tanks then before. When a jagdpanzer can cloak, move just as fast, see farther, and pen more reliably then a jackson can, and can soak up at least 5 hits before dying to a jackson while killing it in only 3, I think you might be a little over-singing the Jackson's praises.
That being said - long range damage is better than short-range or flanking damage when you consider that getting in close with m10s is going to bring you right into the range of mines, paks, shreks, and panzerfausts.
20 May 2015, 05:57 AM
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sigh...
>50 range
>Light and mobile
>Focused on fighting mediums
>cheap
Yeah nothing in common here!
20 May 2015, 06:08 AM
#18
Posts: 670
>50 range
>Light and mobile
>Focused on fighting mediums
>cheap
Yeah nothing in common here!
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20 May 2015, 06:56 AM
#19
Posts: 345
>50 range
>Light and mobile
>Focused on fighting mediums
>cheap
Yeah nothing in common here!
months and months seeing how you talk about how mobile are the jacksons and now you come here to say than "Light and mobile" is a property of the m10 that differentiates m10 from jackson???
come on, you can do it better Alex.
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20 May 2015, 07:05 AM
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months and months seeing how you talk about how mobile are the jacksons and now you come here to say than "Light and mobile" is a property of the m10 that differentiates m10 from jackson???
come on, you can do it better Alex.
The M10 is significantly faster than the Jackson. The reason the Puma and M10 are comparable is that they are both lighter units built to counter things bigger than them.
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What is his point?
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