Let's talk about Volksgrenadiers

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2015, 03:29 AMAladdin

That's how you lose map control, resources and hence the game. 4 volks vs 4 rifles early lol
sturm?! here it comes the mighty free Lt btw min 1 in the game and here you go vet 2 rifles, good luck with that Yaaaay!

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2015, 16:44 PMJHeartless

Soviets Conscripts are barely better then Volks.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2015, 16:44 PMJHeartless

Just as easily as Manpower bleed will. Volks arent the only unit available early to OKW. Rifles are the only real unit available to USF. Soviets Conscripts are barely better then Volks. Pfuse come early. Its risk vs reward. Volks dont get pushed back anymore than Grens do. The LT is a matter that has little to do with Volks as its tech.

The problem is only in the first 8 mins of the game if you go quick T4 for Obers or even less time if you use call in elites.

I am really struggling to see the problem with Volks. Since every other OKW unit has a high MP cost to justify their performance. Maybe relic needs to swap Pfuse for Volks? Make Volks with Shreks a call in probably wouldnt be very good.

If Volks are going to get a buff then Justifiably they should have an increase in cost. So less will be fielded and bleeds will be more as well as reinforce time.

There is a reason the Kubel and Sturms come in the same Tier.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2015, 20:25 PMAlexzandvar

The thing is grens do get pushed back fairly hard early game due to Riflemen and conspam. The issue here is that unlike Ostheer you have a lower DPS squad on top of having no reliable early game suppression platform that isn't directly already countered.

When an enemy in lower game modes as OKW the Kubelwagon is a liability for a couple of reasons:

1. Reduced map control
2. Horrifuckbad pathing meaning you need to baby sit it
3. Not hard to flank using the overwhelming amount of infantry a USF or Soviet player can get early game
4. ebin Scout Cars.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2015, 16:41 PMSpecialka

Maybe because they are not there to deal with IA? As OKW, you have luch/FlakHT/Obers to deal with your AI needs.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2015, 20:47 PMZyllen

Then obers should be brought back pre nerf.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2015, 16:41 PMSpecialka

Maybe because they are not there to deal with IA? As OKW, you have luch/FlakHT/Obers to deal with your AI needs.

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2015, 20:28 PMBerik

Can someone give me the list of Volks bulletins?

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2015, 20:38 PMCardboard Tank

Grim Reaper Tool: Volksgrenadier Combat Package cost 5% less

Complete Disregard for Safety: Volksgrenadiers receive 10% less suppression

Bronze: +3% accuracy

Silver: -3% reload

Gold: -2% cooldown, - 2% reload

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2015, 22:34 PMCorsin

AT package (x1Shrek and AT nade capability for 90 ammo)
AI package (x1LMG34 for 60 ammo)
Assault package (x5 MP40's and incendiary nade capability for 70 ammo). (nades cost 25)
Manpowercost upped from 235 to 240.


= Fixed

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2015, 22:39 PMdasheepeh

so balanced, 5 volks running around with lmg34's

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2015, 23:02 PMAlexzandvar

This already exists, they are called Grenadiers.

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2015, 23:06 PMdasheepeh

the thing is that LMG42 is inferior to the 34, even after the nerf. Grens are also more expensive to maintain and only consist of 4 models.

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2015, 16:23 PM__deleted__

On the contrary, Sturmpios are quite possibly the squad worst suited for Schrecks in the OKW arsenal.

About 10 minutes into the game, Sturms are largely useless in the anti infantry role (talking solid opponents here). Thats ok though, as infantry combat are not what Sturms are there for to begin with: Sturms need to repair, and most importantly sweep, especially against Soviets. Using a squishy 4 man squad as mainline AT is generally a bad idea already with PGrens, and would be even worse with Sturms. Losing your Sturms is usually a catastrophe, and thats just a risk you cannot run by engaging anything with an AOE profile.
BTW I think they already tried just that in the Alpha and quickly reverted it, and its not hard to see why....