Demos for axis

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 21:56 PMdaspoulos

I think it might be a bit unfair that axis don't get demos. I realize they will never be added, and asymmetrical balance and what not. But I want to know, would it be balanced if the demos required minesweepers for pioneers and sturmpioneers to be laid? Or in general required even combat engineers to have minesweepers to lay them. Assault engi's would keep them by default.

Because a lot of us say demos are fine, but the whole surprise one shots are really annoying. Atleast when you spot a engineer squad with sweepers you can have a better chance at guessing if demos have been laid. Besides they'd be less effective for axis due to squad sizes, but would still have good chance to wipe. Not to mention how strapped ostheer and okw can get for munitions. I doubt demos would be very common, just another option. I mean they are just arbitrarily not available to axis just because.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 22:18 PMMortar

Bring back the Goliath!!!

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 22:25 PMKatitof

Together with non doc weapon upgrades for soviets and heavy tanks for USF?

Every army lacks something.
If you believe one aspect to be unfair because X army doesn't have it, then no reason exists why other armies can't have what X army have and they don't.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 22:29 PMdaspoulos

Fair enough. Though heavy tanks for usf didnt exist. There's like the m6, and that was never deployed.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 22:40 PMAssaultPlazma

?

M6,M4AE2,M26,T29/30,T95(heavy Assault Gun)


US had heavy tanks Besides the Jumbo, The US general staff understood there limitations and elected not to start production, that until late war with the M26

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 22:46 PMdaspoulos

Meh jumbo maybe. Pershing was medium, classified a heavy for propoganda/morale purposes during ww2. T29/t30, t95/t28 tank destroyer weren't really built. 1-2 or none at all. None were even sent to the war.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 22:25 PMKatitof

Together with non doc weapon upgrades for soviets and heavy tanks for USF?

Every army lacks something.
If you believe one aspect to be unfair because X army doesn't have it, then no reason exists why other armies can't have what X army have and they don't.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 21:56 PMdaspoulos

required even combat engineers to have minesweepers to lay them. Assault engi's would keep them by default.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 21:56 PMdaspoulos

Or in general required even combat engineers to have minesweepers to lay them.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 23:58 PM__deleted__

As much as I like to use them, demos are in fact a seriously shitty feature from a gameplay perspective, allowing no brainer squadwipes. Extending that particular facet of cheese to the Axis will not improve the game, au contraire, no demos at all, now were talking.

Jump back to quoted post24 Apr 2015, 00:13 AMPanzerGeneralForever

To defend demos, they do cost 90 munitions and must be layed by engies plus can be spotted and destroyed. They are extremely good for dealing with blobs and i remember Relic wanting to buff blob counters. Anything that counters blobbing (demos) and is still counterable (with sweepers) is something ill promote. The only thing id like to see with demos though is that they are more usefull versus blobs (bigger explosion) but more expensive so they are less spammed and wont be used to wipe single capping squads for only 90 muni.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 22:49 PMAssaultPlazma

your original post said exist which implied the US was in some inept and couldnt make any. US had the designed and they all completed trials and were ready for production said production never happened, but I guess its just all semantics.

Pershing was a Heavy Tank during WWII and reclassified after WWII because the bar for armor and firepower for tanks had gone up. Saying the Pershing was a medium tanks means both the IS-1 and Tiger I were also mediums as all had comparable firepower armor and roles.

Jump back to quoted post24 Apr 2015, 00:41 AMsluzbenik

Relic gave Axis officers, so they could blob better.

They gave Soviets demos so they could kill those blobs.

You can give Axis demos if you give Soviets officer so Sov blobs are as good as US blobs.

And then we're getting close to mirror matches. (BTW, the best COH2 gameplay is Osteer vs. Ostheer but everyone says mirrors suck, despite that fact that both factions need to use combined arms to win.)

Jump back to quoted post24 Apr 2015, 00:36 AMdaspoulos

Pretty sure thats not how it works. Pershing was classified a medium after ww2. Another example being, panthers being classified as heavy tanks by USA but the germans built it as a medium.