Relic, let the community balance the game

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 20:34 PMThunderhun

Yup, defensive doctrines would be potent if the game would be more balanced. It's a great idea but sadly poorly implemented.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 20:31 PMBartonPL

Def doc is best used vs OKW, trust me, Dshka countered even Obers before this "balance patch" it just deals a lot of damage, 45mm gun is good vs anything that OKW can get (except KT and panthers), AI mines are good vs some expensive stuff to reinforce like 50% OKW units and are really cheap (7 muni?), tank traps aren't so great but they at least give green cover

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 20:30 PMVuther

Aren't they significantly more survivable and significantly easier creatures to maintain than horses?

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 04:10 AMBudwise

We tried this before and it failed. It worked on vCOH 2.602 because Relic knew it was EOL and they didnt have a business model setup to make any more money off of it so it was in their best interest to close that chapter with good balance at least. That was some of the most fun I've had in the community and the communication between Devs and Expert/Veterans was excellent.

COH2 is in a much different place with a much bigger business goal in mind. We tried bringing in expert players from the very beginning to guide Relic on what needed to be done to make this game a success from LAUNCH not 2 years later but needless to say it didn't last long as Relic did not like most of what we had to say. We hoped that we'd carry on the momentum from the 2.602 patch with the same folks but it was completely different and quite disheartening. 2 years later now and they're just now talking about implementing leaderboards, balance nor functional features is not #1 priority, new DLC content is. New factions, skins, commanders, all the things that make money for the business is what funds new functionality and balance patches etc.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 10:04 AMKatitof

Apparently to some faction choice equals to girlfriend of wife choice and hell, they are devoted, choosing death before "cheating" with another one.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 21:59 PMwuff

I wouldn't know.

Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2015, 01:09 AMvan Voort

Yes they are more survivable than horses

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 10:17 AMBurts

You would be suprised how many of these people there is in coh2.

Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2015, 10:29 AMJohnnyB

Funny how the first persons to answer to luvnest's legit question are actualy the most vocal fanboys of this forum.

Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2015, 11:31 AMThe amazing Chandler

If the community does such a good job why aren't there 5000 players playing cruzz's kappatch every day? I thing most people bitching about this game just do it because they think that they are so good at this game or they do it because some very good players do it.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 00:58 AMCyridius

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Additionally, presuming that wasn't a barrier, it patching shit costs money. Admittedly, I don't know how much, I'm assuming a significant portion goes into the cost of labour required for making patches in the first place(Cutting out the design side, we still need programmers to implement it) and then making use of the Steam servers to ship it(Which I'm assuming is significant, as otherwise Relic would be giving us rapid, small, incremental patches), you'd want to be sure what "the community" is proposing is a high quality, professional production. Can you really be sure of that? If I was the person pitching this, I wouldn't be able to say so.

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Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 23:43 PMVuther

Games aren't based on logic and fairness, they're based around people playing them for fun.

And apparently a lot of people gladly find doing just about the exact same thing over and over fun...so then they don't care about everything else in the game so long as the part they find fun doesn't get messed with (needless to say, people usually find winning fun too).

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 20:24 PMvan Voort

Correct, the AI mines are unique

But Dishka comes in Lend Lease and the 45mm is in Urban Defence - where it is a bit more potent inside the FHQ aura