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25 Mar 2015, 10:44 AM
#161
avatar of Tea Maker Machine

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It's the first choice of OKW players, because raketenwerfers don't cut it and the JP4 doesn't do well against an IS2, which you see in about 99% of the games.



Fixed that for you. They should remove this game braking doc from the game. (Shock Frontline)
25 Mar 2015, 11:37 AM
#162
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Fixed that for you. They should remove this game braking doc from the game. (Shock Frontline)

Sure, together with [...] as well.

[...] - insert any elephant, tiger and jagdtiger doctrine.
25 Mar 2015, 11:50 AM
#163
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And if you seriously want its fuel cost reduced, you're the biased one here.



Sounds like you never played 1v1 before. I admit, Panther WAS a problem for 3v3 and 4v4 games but that was before time. They nurfed it, increase its cost, made it shit. Finaly, they cahnged its stats in order to at least it somewhat deserves the huge amount of resources you invest to build it. And now you are comming and say it's to strong? :loco:
25 Mar 2015, 11:59 AM
#164
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 11:50 AMJohnnyB


Sounds like you never played 1v1 before. I admit, Panther WAS a problem for 3v3 and 4v4 games but that was before time. They nurfed it, increase its cost, made it shit. Finaly, they cahnged its stats in order to at least it somewhat deserves the huge amount of resources you invest to build it. And now you are comming and say it's to strong? :loco:

Have you ever played against OKW in 1v1 without using IS-2?
Have you ever played against OKW in 1v1?
Have you ever played 1v1?
25 Mar 2015, 12:00 PM
#165
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 11:59 AMKatitof

Have you ever played against OKW in 1v1 without using IS-2?
Have you ever played against OKW in 1v1?
Have you ever played 1v1?


Do you ever read before actualy making a fool of yourself?
25 Mar 2015, 12:00 PM
#166
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 11:59 AMKatitof

Have you ever played against OKW in 1v1 without using IS-2?
Have you ever played against OKW in 1v1?
Have you ever played 1v1?

Have you ever played this game?
25 Mar 2015, 12:02 PM
#167
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Have you ever played this game?


He didn't because he is writing everywhere on this forum and on official forums also. So I suspect he has no time for playing - which is quite obvious if you read his posts carefully.
25 Mar 2015, 12:04 PM
#168
avatar of Tea Maker Machine

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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 12:02 PMJohnnyB


He didn't because he is writing everywhere on this forum and on official forums also. So I suspect he has no time for playing - which is quite obvious if you read his posts carefully.

Haha wow really? Is he getting paid or something?

Honestly I would pay him more if he stopped posting.
25 Mar 2015, 12:06 PM
#169
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Haha wow really? Is he getting paid or something?

Honestly I would pay him more if he stopped posting.


You don't have that kind of money I can bet.
25 Mar 2015, 12:08 PM
#170
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 12:02 PMJohnnyB


He didn't because he is writing everywhere on this forum and on official forums also. So I suspect he has no time for playing - which is quite obvious if you read his posts carefully.

I'm quite positive you confused me with yourself here lil boy.
Its also quite adorable to see old troll already hugging new troll, showing him all the bridges and how to spit bile, always heartwarming to see the species take care of their young.

Now back on topic, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Ost panther stats, blitz was always a problem and will be a problem as long as it provides raw speed bonus on top of additional rec acc benefits not to mention acceleration, which ensures that its intended weakness-getting flanked and rear armor hits-is pretty much impossible to exploit because of its speed.

When it comes to OKW panther, its great strength comes from timing-there is absolutely nothing on field that would contest it or even prove to be a lethal danger.
25 Mar 2015, 12:12 PM
#171
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 12:08 PMKatitof

I'm quite positive you confused me with yourself here lil boy.
Its also quite adorable to see old troll already hugging new troll, showing him all the bridges and how to spit bile, always heartwarming to see the species take care of their young.



No, what is really adorable is seeing you so pissed off because of these things, especially when you are out of arguments and writing nonsense.
Edit: buy some glasses, I never said anything about OKW Panther.
25 Mar 2015, 12:19 PM
#172
avatar of Katitof

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Maybe you should buy yourself a pair, because OP talks about both panthers.
25 Mar 2015, 13:14 PM
#173
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 12:08 PMKatitof

I'm quite positive you confused me with yourself here lil boy.
Its also quite adorable to see old troll already hugging new troll, showing him all the bridges and how to spit bile, always heartwarming to see the species take care of their young.

Now back on topic, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Ost panther stats, blitz was always a problem and will be a problem as long as it provides raw speed bonus on top of additional rec acc benefits not to mention acceleration, which ensures that its intended weakness-getting flanked and rear armor hits-is pretty much impossible to exploit because of its speed.

When it comes to OKW panther, its great strength comes from timing-there is absolutely nothing on field that would contest it or even prove to be a lethal danger.


Except at OKW's 66% fuel income the Panther will be coming out the same time as the second Sherman or first Jackson.

It's flabbergasting honestly that people have forgotten that the Panther used to never be built because people don't want to pay 175 fuel for a unit that can't do it's job. Because of teching costs it's the most expensive Ostheer tank in the game.

The first OKW Panther costs 255 fuel (80+175), the first Sherman costs 190 (110+80) fuel. So that's a 65 fuel difference, so of course there is going to be a gap in preformance.

The big issue with the OKW Panther is that it should cost more MP in order to encourage less infantry spam. If you increased it's MP cost by 50% it would be 735 MP, which would force you to chose between Obers and Panthers.
25 Mar 2015, 15:56 PM
#174
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Patrion 14

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fight fight fight!

anyway, the problem with panther in team games is same with problems with mostly german tanks with superb stats that are locked behind a high cost. this system works somewhat in 1v1 and 2v2(?) i guess, but if you go higher, cost is much lesser problem due to all the damn caches.

so what used to be a superb tank that costs fortune becomes a superb tank that cost marginally more. i think ostheer panther is perfectly fine in 2v2, but panthers in 3v3+ are still ridoncolous.
25 Mar 2015, 16:18 PM
#175
avatar of AssaultPlazma

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I too also believe side armor along with removing blitz would fix it, and maybe a slight speed reduction.....
25 Mar 2015, 16:26 PM
#176
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Besides the usual forum war, i'm delight by the amount of post on so little time this thread got.

PD: we have a new/old troll now here?


The first OKW Panther costs 255 fuel (80+175), the first Sherman costs 190 (110+80) fuel. So that's a 65 fuel difference, so of course there is going to be a gap in preformance.


I don't usually play as USF but those numbers looks like crap. USF start with 10 fuel (?), LT cost 50, cpt cost 80, Major is 90 (?) and finally yes the Sherman is 110. I'll add 10 (ambulance) and even 25+ for nades/bars.

-10 + 50/80 + 90 + 110 + (10/25/35) + (20 if M20) =

>Fastest rush LT no ambulance, no upgrades: 50+90+110-10 = 240f
>>>Fast rush LT ambulance+nades/bar, LT: 50+35+90+110-10 = 275f
>>>>>M20 LT, ambulance, nade/bar: 50+20+35+90+110-10 = 295f

>Fastest rush Cpt, no ambulance, no upgrades: 80+90+110-10 = 270f
>>>Cpt and ambulance + nade/bar: 80+90+110+35-10 = 305f
25 Mar 2015, 16:48 PM
#177
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Veterancy. Abilities. Most Jacksons on the field won't live to see Vet 3 if they simply don't penetrate. I have never seen in 700 hours a Vet 3 Jackson slaying Tigers or Panthers all that happened was that Tiger or Panther simply backed off with Blitz and or smoke. SU 85 on average requires 8 shots to destroy a Panther at maximum range, Panther kills it in 3. Jackson requires 6, Panther kills it in 3. And not to mention that is RNG when there is no RNG for Panther, only sure penetration.


Wut? In your mod or what? Or you smoked somthin good? Give me some dude.

Whatever, real number just tested in cheatmod. Panther shooting SU85 at longest range, vice versa. I did it with a stopwatch so fuck the data.



Panther need 4 shot to kill a SU85, reload is around 7 seconds, from t=0s, SU85 is killed at mark 28 seconds. All penetrated.

SU85 need 5 shot to kill a panther, reload is around 4 seconds, from t=0s, panther is killed at mark 20 seconds. All penetrated.



Panther damage = SU85 damage, DPS is almost half of SU85, period.

And you told me it is Ober of panzers. :foreveralone: :clap:

Now go back to your lovely mod or dream or smoke, or whatever, and troll somewhere else asking to nerf this poor shit panther, thanks.
25 Mar 2015, 17:02 PM
#178
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 16:48 PMPorygon


Wut? In your mod or what? Or you smoked somthin good? Give me some dude.



Derp I meant 4 not 3
25 Mar 2015, 17:19 PM
#179
avatar of Alexzandvar

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Besides the usual forum war, i'm delight by the amount of post on so little time this thread got.

PD: we have a new/old troll now here?



I don't usually play as USF but those numbers looks like crap. USF start with 10 fuel (?), LT cost 50, cpt cost 80, Major is 90 (?) and finally yes the Sherman is 110. I'll add 10 (ambulance) and even 25+ for nades/bars.

-10 + 50/80 + 90 + 110 + (10/25/35) + (20 if M20) =

>Fastest rush LT no ambulance, no upgrades: 50+90+110-10 = 240f
>>>Fast rush LT ambulance+nades/bar, LT: 50+35+90+110-10 = 275f
>>>>>M20 LT, ambulance, nade/bar: 50+20+35+90+110-10 = 295f

>Fastest rush Cpt, no ambulance, no upgrades: 80+90+110-10 = 270f
>>>Cpt and ambulance + nade/bar: 80+90+110+35-10 = 305f


I included just the respective only Tier costs for the unit. T3 for OKW and USF is 80 fuel to get you a major/schwer.
25 Mar 2015, 17:24 PM
#180
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I included just the respective only Tier costs for the unit. T3 for OKW and USF is 80 fuel to get you a major/schwer.


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