Damn this balance

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 00:03 AMOZtheWiZARD

I'd love to see T-34/85 being standard T3 vehicle and T-34/76 being a AI beast call in.


T-34/85 is about equal to PzIV. Not better.
Panther will quickly kill one of them and then run away to safety. Been there, done that. With a bit of luck you can even take them both out. Keep your front armour towards the enemy all the time.

All a panther needs is greens and maybe a pak or a couple of shreks to support it, and a t34/85 won't be able to kill it, the only thing 85's reliable beat is ost t3

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 23:44 PMJaigen

Yeah lets ignore the fact that these units cost more. But the ost and su tier 3 share the same problem : No AT and callins are flat out better.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 00:12 AMAlexzandvar

"Quickly"? In what universe does the Panther kill a tank by itself "Quickly". Reloads on the Panthers:

OH PV: 6.5

OKW PV: 7.5

The T-34/85 is a tank hunter like the Panther (except with better AI). It doesn't even fulfill the same roll at the 76.



Uh, why are you not supporting your 85's as well? His Panther can't do shit to your infantry, while your 85's can fuck up his armor AND his infantry.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 00:15 AMKatitof

Lets also ignore the fact that unless you want to spam more then 4-5 of them the cost difference means only 30-50 second difference on hitting the field and nothing more.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 00:03 AMOZtheWiZARD

I'd love to see T-34/85 being standard T3 vehicle and T-34/76 being a AI beast call in.


T-34/85 is about equal to PzIV. Not better.
Panther will quickly kill one of them and then run away to safety. Been there, done that. With a bit of luck you can even take them both out. Keep your front armour towards the enemy all the time.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 01:36 AMMarcoRossolini

The argument about German T3 being nullified by the T-34-85's arrival is the exact same argument you could have about the Germans having the Panther non-doctrinal.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 01:27 AMOZtheWiZARD

T-34/85 tank hunter? Oh my. It can fight PzIV as equal and that's about it. Against Panther, if you manage to flank it with one of them then yes, you have a chance to knock it out, if you don't then it's GG T-34s. Play Soviets and something different than 3v3 at least once and then come and comment about the faction.

FYI Panther is pretty decent against infantry. Mounted MG makes wonders. This plus blitz crush.

The argument about German T3 being nullified by the T-34-85's arrival is the exact same argument you could have about the Germans having the Panther non-doctrinal.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 01:51 AMMarcoRossolini

I was actually referring to Panther vs other non-doctrinal units. Typical.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 01:48 AMAlexzandvar

I play Soviets a lot, and I know for a fact you need to support your tanks, but that goes for every faction. And yes the Panther can crush infantry, but you need to use attack to hit infantry, but it also makes the main gun fire and with the reload I'll be damned if I waste any shots.

Your continued accusation that I only play one faction has been disproved like a million times, cut it out.

The T-34/85 is a tank hunter, in classification. It has high health, a duo of them can easily hunt down a Panther can kill it, or with market target kill larger armor.



The Panther is a very expensive tank that requires teching, the T-34/85 is a call in.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 01:55 AMAlexzandvar

Yeah, I was to.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 01:55 AMOZtheWiZARD

Sure you do play Soviets a lot. Your player card confirms it. Still waiting for the response regarding 1v1 match by the way.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 01:56 AMMarcoRossolini

No, you didn't.

"The Panther is a very expensive tank that requires teching, the T-34/85 is a call in."

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 01:36 AMMarcoRossolini

The argument about German T3 being nullified by the T-34-85's arrival is the exact same argument you could have about the Germans having the Panther non-doctrinal.