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28 Feb 2015, 00:05 AM
#181
avatar of The_rEd_bEar

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All a panther needs is greens and maybe a pak or a couple of shreks to support it, and a t34/85 won't be able to kill it, the only thing 85's reliable beat is ost t3
28 Feb 2015, 00:06 AM
#182
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
Patrion 28

Posts: 2470

and infantry. but that's all they need to reliably beat given how much more everything else costs. even callin VIs cost about the same as a pair of 34/85s.
28 Feb 2015, 00:12 AM
#183
avatar of Alexzandvar

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I'd love to see T-34/85 being standard T3 vehicle and T-34/76 being a AI beast call in.


T-34/85 is about equal to PzIV. Not better.
Panther will quickly kill one of them and then run away to safety. Been there, done that. With a bit of luck you can even take them both out. Keep your front armour towards the enemy all the time.


"Quickly"? In what universe does the Panther kill a tank by itself "Quickly". Reloads on the Panthers:

OH PV: 6.5

OKW PV: 7.5

The T-34/85 is a tank hunter like the Panther (except with better AI). It doesn't even fulfill the same roll at the 76.

All a panther needs is greens and maybe a pak or a couple of shreks to support it, and a t34/85 won't be able to kill it, the only thing 85's reliable beat is ost t3


Uh, why are you not supporting your 85's as well? His Panther can't do shit to your infantry, while your 85's can fuck up his armor AND his infantry.
28 Feb 2015, 00:14 AM
#184
avatar of Jorad

Posts: 209

This balance is and always will be BS. USF has no and I mean NO AT except the Random Jackson. Bazooka shit, at gun shit, Jackson (do you want to play a game?) and axis ohh please Volks, pak, every god damn tank.
28 Feb 2015, 00:15 AM
#185
avatar of Katitof

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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 23:44 PMJaigen


Yeah lets ignore the fact that these units cost more. But the ost and su tier 3 share the same problem : No AT and callins are flat out better.

Lets also ignore the fact that unless you want to spam more then 4-5 of them the cost difference means only 30-50 second difference on hitting the field and nothing more.
28 Feb 2015, 00:21 AM
#186
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
Patrion 28

Posts: 2470

assuming i'm looking at the right tank, the IV also has slightly better AoE
28 Feb 2015, 01:27 AM
#187
avatar of OZtheWiZARD

Posts: 1439



"Quickly"? In what universe does the Panther kill a tank by itself "Quickly". Reloads on the Panthers:

OH PV: 6.5

OKW PV: 7.5

The T-34/85 is a tank hunter like the Panther (except with better AI). It doesn't even fulfill the same roll at the 76.



Uh, why are you not supporting your 85's as well? His Panther can't do shit to your infantry, while your 85's can fuck up his armor AND his infantry.


T-34/85 tank hunter? Oh my. It can fight PzIV as equal and that's about it. Against Panther, if you manage to flank it with one of them then yes, you have a chance to knock it out, if you don't then it's GG T-34s. Play Soviets and something different than 3v3 at least once and then come and comment about the faction.

FYI Panther is pretty decent against infantry. Mounted MG makes wonders. This plus blitz crush.
28 Feb 2015, 01:31 AM
#188
avatar of Jaigen

Posts: 1130

jump backJump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 00:15 AMKatitof

Lets also ignore the fact that unless you want to spam more then 4-5 of them the cost difference means only 30-50 second difference on hitting the field and nothing more.


Means shit one is more expensive and thus better but not by much. especially if you compare the p4 vs t-34 matchup to the p4 and 85 /e8 matchup. Do not change the subject tittitof the ost tier 3 has the same problem as the SU tier 3. which is the reason this game is currently pure callin meta.
28 Feb 2015, 01:36 AM
#189
avatar of MarcoRossolini

Posts: 1042

The argument about German T3 being nullified by the T-34-85's arrival is the exact same argument you could have about the Germans having the Panther non-doctrinal.
28 Feb 2015, 01:37 AM
#190
avatar of Jaigen

Posts: 1130

I'd love to see T-34/85 being standard T3 vehicle and T-34/76 being a AI beast call in.


T-34/85 is about equal to PzIV. Not better.
Panther will quickly kill one of them and then run away to safety. Been there, done that. With a bit of luck you can even take them both out. Keep your front armour towards the enemy all the time.


So you consider an unit that has 25 % more hp and penetration with only slightly less armour and dps to be equal tot he p4. dude test it out yourself a battle between a 85 and a p4 is 10/10 in favour for the 85.
28 Feb 2015, 01:42 AM
#191
avatar of Jaigen

Posts: 1130

The argument about German T3 being nullified by the T-34-85's arrival is the exact same argument you could have about the Germans having the Panther non-doctrinal.


Not by a long shot. if a panther destroys the 85 then its task is done. if the 85 stomps out your tier 3 armour he will rampage through your army . This has always been the strength of the 85 and the e8 strong enough to be substitute heavy tank destroyers . remember that 2 85's have far more firepower then 1 tiger.
28 Feb 2015, 01:48 AM
#192
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T-34/85 tank hunter? Oh my. It can fight PzIV as equal and that's about it. Against Panther, if you manage to flank it with one of them then yes, you have a chance to knock it out, if you don't then it's GG T-34s. Play Soviets and something different than 3v3 at least once and then come and comment about the faction.

FYI Panther is pretty decent against infantry. Mounted MG makes wonders. This plus blitz crush.


I play Soviets a lot, and I know for a fact you need to support your tanks, but that goes for every faction. And yes the Panther can crush infantry, but you need to use attack to hit infantry, but it also makes the main gun fire and with the reload I'll be damned if I waste any shots.

Your continued accusation that I only play one faction has been disproved like a million times, cut it out.

The T-34/85 is a tank hunter, in classification. It has high health, a duo of them can easily hunt down a Panther can kill it, or with market target kill larger armor.

The argument about German T3 being nullified by the T-34-85's arrival is the exact same argument you could have about the Germans having the Panther non-doctrinal.


The Panther is a very expensive tank that requires teching, the T-34/85 is a call in.
28 Feb 2015, 01:51 AM
#193
avatar of MarcoRossolini

Posts: 1042

I was actually referring to Panther vs other non-doctrinal units. :) Typical.
28 Feb 2015, 01:55 AM
#194
avatar of Alexzandvar

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I was actually referring to Panther vs other non-doctrinal units. :) Typical.


Yeah, I was to.
28 Feb 2015, 01:55 AM
#195
avatar of OZtheWiZARD

Posts: 1439



I play Soviets a lot, and I know for a fact you need to support your tanks, but that goes for every faction. And yes the Panther can crush infantry, but you need to use attack to hit infantry, but it also makes the main gun fire and with the reload I'll be damned if I waste any shots.

Your continued accusation that I only play one faction has been disproved like a million times, cut it out.

The T-34/85 is a tank hunter, in classification. It has high health, a duo of them can easily hunt down a Panther can kill it, or with market target kill larger armor.



The Panther is a very expensive tank that requires teching, the T-34/85 is a call in.



Sure you do play Soviets a lot. Your player card confirms it. Still waiting for the response regarding 1v1 match by the way.
28 Feb 2015, 01:56 AM
#196
avatar of MarcoRossolini

Posts: 1042



Yeah, I was to.


No, you didn't.

"The Panther is a very expensive tank that requires teching, the T-34/85 is a call in."

28 Feb 2015, 01:57 AM
#197
avatar of Alexzandvar

Posts: 4951 | Subs: 1




Sure you do play Soviets a lot. Your player card confirms it. Still waiting for the response regarding 1v1 match by the way.


lol, you got one thread locked, isn't that enough?
28 Feb 2015, 01:58 AM
#198
avatar of Alexzandvar

Posts: 4951 | Subs: 1



No, you didn't.

"The Panther is a very expensive tank that requires teching, the T-34/85 is a call in."



The Panther is good against allied medium tanks because that is it's intended purpose. It's a costly unit that does it's job well, and in no way does it invalidate all allied medium armor. It sure as hell doesn't invalidate enemy infantry.

Call in meta is stupid, and the Panther isn't a call in.
28 Feb 2015, 03:19 AM
#199
avatar of QueenRatchet123

Posts: 2280 | Subs: 2

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The argument about German T3 being nullified by the T-34-85's arrival is the exact same argument you could have about the Germans having the Panther non-doctrinal.


Thats a very good point.

If soviets didnt have commanders, they would be the worst faction.

This is y the panther is so potent agaainst usf.

They dont have heavy damage soaker

Althrough, p47 is still bullshit admittedly
28 Feb 2015, 03:57 AM
#200
avatar of wandererraven

Posts: 353

i hope march patch or ....
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