when you see lmg gren blob or volks blob with obers or not, you'd kill for hmg42. sure it might be underperforming somewhat but some people are taking it too far when crying about it.The biggest problem it has is blob control. Anymore than 1 upgraded units that aoe will mean nothing against a direct frontal attack.
having AOE suppression is the biggest advantage imo. SOV just doesnt have one and USF's 50 cal has to be used ultra defensively. M15 AAHT is super nice though. its. AOE suppression is what makes that unit useful even to the latest of the late game imo.
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10 Mar 2015, 02:20 AM
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10 Mar 2015, 02:35 AM
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The biggest problem it has is blob control. Anymore than 1 upgraded units that aoe will mean nothing against a direct frontal attack.
problem with all HMGs imo. hope it gets fixed next patch.
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10 Mar 2015, 04:15 AM
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the maxim does have AoE suppression, it's just a bit smaller than the MG42/34
10 Mar 2015, 04:50 AM
#184
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Permanently BannedThese HMGS are mounted anyway to begin with. The accuracy really wouldn't be all that bad because recoil is almost nonexistant, only things that exist are bullet deviation.
I always wished the mg42 team would just cost like 280 manpower that way it could be more accurately portrayed therefore more effective.
I always wished the mg42 team would just cost like 280 manpower that way it could be more accurately portrayed therefore more effective.
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10 Mar 2015, 05:50 AM
#185
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Even if it was 300 mp but good i would be ok with that.
10 Mar 2015, 08:20 AM
#186
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problem with all HMGs imo. hope it gets fixed next patch.
Wehrmacht far more dependant on its HMG than either sov,OKW or americans.Which is why popcornsprayer despite being not total fail in comparison with other HMGs is an actual failure for wehrmacht,because it can't stop allied infantry from closing and once they are in close grens get massacred.
10 Mar 2015, 09:09 AM
#187
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Wehrmacht far more dependant on its HMG than either sov,OKW or americans.Which is why popcornsprayer despite being not total fail in comparison with other HMGs is an actual failure for wehrmacht,because it can't stop allied infantry from closing and once they are in close grens get massacred.
And why the other hmgs are a total fail? Maxims are powerfull if they are spammed and a-moved. USF hmg supresses from the first bullet. It doesn't matter if obersoldaten can kill them head on. This doesn't prove anything, because obersoldaten are to powerfull, so the problem is not the hmgs. Compared to a-moving maxims with 6 men crew and the quick supressing USF hmg, I honestly think at MG42 as being a total failure.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
10 Mar 2015, 13:23 PM
#188
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True compared to maxims its shit in utility,however m2hb isn't some hotstuff.
10 Mar 2015, 14:37 PM
#189
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In coh2 originally it was intially the best mg in game.
But since coh2 is full of whiners it got nerfed into the pathetic form it now resides.
Yes, exactly that.
It had absolutely nothing to do with the hard fact that it was the ONLY unit you needed before armor(5 min KV-8 known as 251) arrived and with 0 micro if would pin squads advancing on the opposing ends of the arc.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
10 Mar 2015, 18:01 PM
#190
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Yes, exactly that.
It had absolutely nothing to do with the hard fact that it was the ONLY unit you needed before armor(5 min KV-8 known as 251) arrived and with 0 micro if would pin squads advancing on the opposing ends of the arc.
This actually how a mg should be. So yeah it was the fault of the whiny fangirls. And their is no excuse considering how many counters the soviets have in countering an unsupported mg. i have never seen a single case of mg42 spam . But maxim spam has been an issue since the beta of this game.
The mg42/34 need to be far better at suppression then their much more mobile counterparts.
also the 251 has been nerfed into oblivion because of whiners as well.
horrida flamma bella
10 Mar 2015, 18:28 PM
#191
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This actually how a mg should be. So yeah it was the fault of the whiny fangirls. And their is no excuse considering how many counters the soviets have in countering an unsupported mg. i have never seen a single case of mg42 spam . But maxim spam has been an issue since the beta of this game.
The mg42/34 need to be far better at suppression then their much more mobile counterparts.
also the 251 has been nerfed into oblivion because of whiners as well.
No counter to MG spam since beta? How about a sniper, flame pios (buildings) and mortars? If you don't know how to deal with Sov by this time than it is a L2P issue. Thanks.
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10 Mar 2015, 18:58 PM
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i have never seen a single case of mg42 spam . But maxim spam has been an issue since the beta of this game.
Cause you don't play the game. MG42 spam was meta, specially with the 10%supression bulletins.
Edit: AND the FHT rush into cutoff. Every. Single. Game. Not like T70rush wasn't as predominant also.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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10 Mar 2015, 19:10 PM
#193
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I always wished the mg42 team would just cost like 280 manpower that way it could be more accurately portrayed therefore more effective.
The Dishka would like a word with you about that...
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10 Mar 2015, 21:01 PM
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The Dishka would like a word with you about that...
It's so BAD
10 Mar 2015, 21:03 PM
#195
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No counter to MG spam since beta? How about a sniper, flame pios (buildings) and mortars? If you don't know how to deal with Sov by this time than it is a L2P issue. Thanks.
I knew you where a bad player but this simply confirms it. for the ostheer riflenades will do it for the okw who do not have any of the things mentioned above the raw firepower of the obers will do the trick.
horrida flamma bella
10 Mar 2015, 21:07 PM
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Cause you don't play the game. MG42 spam was meta, specially with the 10%supression bulletins.
Edit: AND the FHT rush into cutoff. Every. Single. Game. Not like T70rush wasn't as predominant also.
I was here since beta. their was no mg42 spam ever. its an allied fanboy fairy tail. because you could simply ram your maxims into them and win or the m3 + sniper would quickly remove it.
And fht rush? yeah if the soviet player really screwed up and didnt have any AT out. but i have a better suggestion. m3 rush to your cutoff point with no wait of countering it.
horrida flamma bella
10 Mar 2015, 21:07 PM
#197
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The Dishka would like a word with you about that...
It's so BAD
Needs a buff but what? more damage?
horrida flamma bella
10 Mar 2015, 21:09 PM
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Needs a buff but what? more damage?
Sure tang. It costs 50% more than a Maxim and only provides 1/3 more DPS than one, which certainly doesn't sound right to me.
10 Mar 2015, 21:17 PM
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Needs a buff but what? more damage?
Both the Dishka and the M2 should be excellent against light vehicles and against units in cover (such as buildings) because they fire bullets big enough to punch right though - something the MG-42 couldn't do.
Possibly if they had damage boost and/or IRSTG44 ability to ignore cover they'd have a niche again.
As it stands MG-42 API will go through the back of a Tiger whilst .50 HMGs can't even take out a halftrack.
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10 Mar 2015, 22:06 PM
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I knew you where a bad player but this simply confirms it. for the ostheer riflenades will do it for the okw who do not have any of the things mentioned above the raw firepower of the obers will do the trick.
If an OKW player is spamming support weapons than that means he lacks capping power. OKW player needs to be aggressive and flank hence you dont see MG spam 3+ in 1 v 1s (barely at pro level). If you want to try this out and see if I am a bad player than you can add me on steam. I WOULD love to kick your ass any day and I will use the "Under power" OKW to show you. Thanks.
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