Ostheer: What is to be done?

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 07:38 AMausterlitz

As for tellers i double pack them together lategame when i have muni.If i'm using muni conversion even more so.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 22:05 PMdaspoulos

Could you explain double packing? I thought that was taken out?

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 10:46 AMKatitof

Since stupid and you seem to be very close friends:


Let me do advanced, university level math for you, because you might overheat in the process:

6.5-6.3=0.2

0.2=/=1

Reading stats, not for everyone, don't try this at home without parents over-watching you kids!

Oh, and accuracy is always the same, its the scatter, rate of fire and AoE profile that matters against infantry and P4 have that superior.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 00:47 AMFaustCostBulletin

Give Soviets the tank that costs more and is useful.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 01:00 AMTobis

KV1

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 01:04 AMFaustCostBulletin

> Penetrates nothing

"My KV-1 is doing nothing?"

Ostheer player, while using nothing but Panthers as tanks: "You're using it wrong, you're supposed to get SU-85 behind it, then it's good!"

And then you realize for all that fuel you could have gotten an ISU-152 or an IS-2 that's far superior in every way.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 01:05 AMTobis

Atleast it is better than the t-34/76.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 01:04 AMFaustCostBulletin

> Penetrates nothing

"My KV-1 is doing nothing?"

Ostheer player, while using nothing but Panthers as tanks: "You're using it wrong, you're supposed to get SU-85 behind it, then it's good!"

And then you realize for all that fuel you could have gotten an ISU-152 or an IS-2 that's far superior in every way.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 01:28 AMAlexzandvar

The KV-1 isn't as bad as you think it is, it can easily kick a Panzer IV's ass, and it can bounce shots from heavier tanks. It being a stock unit would be a pretty good idea, would make a lot more sense than giving soviets a nondoc T34/85.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 01:37 AMFaustCostBulletin

Because being able to kill a Panzer IV (not very reliable at all btw, Panzer IV can also bounce shots from it pretty often) makes it a good unit. Ugh.

Why are you changing your tune now? You were on board with making T-34/85 non doc. No matter, if you genuinely think that being doctrinal is what balances T-34/85, you're as clueless as you make yourself sound to be.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 02:00 AMAlexzandvar

I was on board with it because I assume it would be part of rebalancing both the vanilla factions teching, but honestly dude the reason the T-34/85 is doctrine only is that is how Soviets were originally designed. Your supposed to rely on call in units, not stock units.

The KV1 in t4 and 85 in T3 could work, but you would to also drastically redo Ostheers teching and stock unit load out.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 02:48 AMMarcoRossolini

Is there any proof that Relic stated that the Soviets are meant to be reliant on doctrines?

Or is it just a myth perpetuated by axis fanboys in order to make sure Soviets are always a badly designed faction.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 02:48 AMMarcoRossolini

Is there any proof that Relic stated that the Soviets are meant to be reliant on doctrines?

Or is it just a myth perpetuated by axis fanboys in order to make sure Soviets are always a badly designed faction.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 13:08 PMJaigen

Relic developers themselves have said so. and if you look on the doctrines nearly every single one of them has callins. the idea was you choose either tier 3 or 4 and use the callins to cover up any weaknesses. however they buffed the 85/i2/su sherman to such heights that tier 3 and 4 became very unappealing.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2015, 13:12 PMFaustCostBulletin

Unappealing? Please, try using these tiers. SU-76 and T-34/76 are outshadowed by doctrinal units, but that doesn't mean they aren't utterly worthless in the first place.

85 is a slightly better Panzer IV with none of the frills, so yeah.

Also, no, most Soviet doctrines don't actually have call-in vehicles. A lot don't have call-in infantry either. Not to mention Guards Rifle Infantry are hardly spectacular compared to Axis basic and call-in infantry.

Shock Troops cost 10 MP less than Obersoldaten but the difference? Probably for another thread.