Ostheer: What is to be done?

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 20:05 PMAlexzandvar

Wait so how is the inclusion of the Jadgpanther, a unit which Ostheer sorely needs

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 21:52 PMBrick Top

Isnt that a centurion? A post war tank.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 22:02 PMKatitof

Need?
Need against what?
Against mediums, you have superior mediums, AT guns, shrecks and stugs if you like them, against heavies you have your own heavies, panther, PaK43 and elephant.

Ost doesn't need it at all, because it already got all the hardcounters for all allied armor it needs both doctrinal and stock.

And argument "because other armies have 60 range TD" won't go by, because other armies do not have panthers(bar OKW, but they are different can of worms).

Ost fills all possible AT niches except extremely light AT akin to PTRS/bazooka.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 12:33 PMElSlayer

I think he meant LeFH 105mm

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 22:02 PMKatitof

Need?
Need against what?
Against mediums, you have superior mediums, AT guns, shrecks and stugs if you like them, against heavies you have your own heavies, panther, PaK43 and elephant.

Ost doesn't need it at all, because it already got all the hardcounters for all allied armor it needs both doctrinal and stock.

And argument "because other armies have 60 range TD" won't go by, because other armies do not have panthers(bar OKW, but they are different can of worms).

Ost fills all possible AT niches except extremely light AT akin to PTRS/bazooka.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 23:45 PMWingZero

Need MOAR heavies, yea this should solve the problem with Osth. Are my sarcasm on point or not on your level yet lol?

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 21:52 PMBrick Top

Isnt that a centurion? A post war tank.

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 14:08 PMFaustCostBulletin

The game should be balanced towards 2v2. It's the middle ground. The middle ground in which OpKW isn't completely out of control, USF and non-heavy armor Soviets are salvagable and where Ostheer is a very strong and versatile faction.

Stop whining.

Or go ahead, whine, get them to give Grenadiers 5 men or something, enjoy Company of Wehrmacht. Buff everything. Seriously, what kind of player can say that AT grenades are a counter to Panzer IV against anyone that is not a potato with a straight face and expect to be taken seriously?

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 19:54 PMMajorBloodnok

It certainly looks like it - and it missed WWII by one month.

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 21:15 PMBrachiaraidos

Missed the European theater by 1 month, but was ready for WWII as a whole by a whole three

(Four if you count treaty signing as the end of the war, which happened between the US & Japan in September.)

_{Yes I know I'm pushing it, but feth it, I want to see an allied fraction that's allowed a genuine scary heavy tank for a change. Stale fraction asymmetry is stale. At the very least, make sure the Comet is included, that saw combat and everything.}

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2015, 21:15 PMBrachiaraidos

Missed the European theater by 1 month, but was ready for WWII as a whole by a whole three

(Four if you count treaty signing as the end of the war, which happened between the US & Japan in September.)

_{Yes I know I'm pushing it, but feth it, I want to see an allied fraction that's allowed a genuine scary heavy tank for a change. Stale fraction asymmetry is stale. At the very least, make sure the Comet is included, that saw combat and everything.}

The Tank, Cruiser, Comet I (A34) was a British cruiser tank that first saw use near the end of World War II. It was designed to provide greater anti-tank capability to Cromwell tank squadrons. It was armed with the 77mm HV which was effective against late war German tanks and a superior weapon to the 75mm KwK 42 gun of the Panther when firing APDS rounds.[2] As a development of the Cromwell, it was an interim design before the Centurion tank.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 23:54 PMAlexzandvar

To bad the only Ostheer heavy tank in the game is worse than the Soviet (with the exeption of the KV1) one despite costing the same

The Jadgpanther is only marginally more heavy than the Regular Panther, and has no turret. If the Panther can exist why can't it's much cooler cousin.

Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2015, 20:20 PMdasheepeh

Wrong.

You forgot the Ele.

Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2015, 17:21 PMausterlitz

5.panzergrenadier back to .80 recieved accuracy instead of current .87 which it was before inexplicapable renerf.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 13:26 PMofield

PGrens are fine, learn how to use them.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2015, 22:35 PMAlexzandvar

Show me an Ostheer player who uses StuG's and PIV's to counter enemy armor and I'll show you a player I'm about to make my bitch with Jacksons and AT grenades.

Both the Ostheer AT gun and Shrek Platform are extremely fragile, and can be wiped in literally one shot from the basic stock Allied tanks, especially in the case of Pgrens when you can just crush them easily. And in the current ultra-commander dependent meta there isn't a single good Ostheer commander with the Pak43, and a Tiger with support will always lose out to a IS2 with support, or more than a single KV1 with support.

So that leaves us with the Elefant, which is an excellent TD despite the draw backs of it's slow speed and low maneuverability, and the Panther which is gated behind a extremely costly tiering system.

The Jadgpanther (It should be a call in from a commander) would give Ostheer a dedicated medium/heavy leaning TD that while it lacks the shear range of an elefant, has more mobility and a better ROF allowing Ostheer more breathing room.