The idea that you cannot cost effectively deal with Tigers as allies is a joke, not only does the IS2 out class it, so does the KV1.
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17 Feb 2015, 23:01 PM
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
17 Feb 2015, 23:14 PM
#122
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KV1: 340 Frontal Armor, 225 Rear Armor, max speed 6.7, Hit Points 675.
Tiger: 300 Frontal Armor, 180 Rear Armor, max speed 4.7, Hit Points 1040.
KV1 Cost: 420 MP and 145 fuel at 8 CP.
Tiger Cost: 640 MP and 230 fuel at 12 CP.
The saddest part is that if you went any of the Tiger commanders you won't have a single counter to B4
17 Feb 2015, 23:15 PM
#123
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uh, check your gun stats on the KV1... you won't pen shit with it.
17 Feb 2015, 23:16 PM
#124
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You're... 'special' and these are not KV-1 stats.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
17 Feb 2015, 23:18 PM
#125
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You will just fine hitting it's rear armor, which really isn't hard to do. If the Tiger runs over a single mine and gets engine damage a single KV1 will kill it, never mind 2.
Which doesn't even touch the fact if your Tiger stops for a few seconds a 203 caliber shell is going make your Tiger look like a soup can if you dropped a stick of dynamite in it.
Which doesn't even touch the fact if your Tiger stops for a few seconds a 203 caliber shell is going make your Tiger look like a soup can if you dropped a stick of dynamite in it.
17 Feb 2015, 23:20 PM
#127
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The idea that you cannot cost effectively deal with Tigers as allies is a joke, not only does the IS2 out class it, so does the KV1.
Wow, I didn't know a KV-1 was a beast against Tigers.
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17 Feb 2015, 23:21 PM
#128
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You're... 'special' and these are not KV-1 stats.
Yes they are, pulled straight from the stats website. Regardless it's not even a contest about weather a IS2 can easily kill a Tiger or not.
17 Feb 2015, 23:24 PM
#129
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Wow, I didn't know a KV-1 was a beast against Tigers.
Pro tip, it's the things following the KV1 that the Tiger needs to worry about the most, not the KV1 itself.
I believe I can safely say that you've achieved lolcake level of utter bullshit right now.
Even jaigen and sierra could learn from your denial, misinformation and complete lack of facts or stats knowledge.
You could actually cite a source that says the stat are different you know, I would be more than happy to seem them. Regardless if you think the Tiger I is some unbeatable beast I don't know what game or mode your playing. Because the Tiger is a worse counter to the current allied meta than the Elefant in every way.
17 Feb 2015, 23:29 PM
#130
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Yes they are, pulled straight from the stats website. Regardless it's not even a contest about weather a IS2 can easily kill a Tiger or not.
No, they are not.
You're looking at single player campaign unit.
http://www.coh2-stats.com/vehicles/kv-1_commander_mp
This is multiplayer KV-1.
Also, feel free to post all the replays where KV-1 beats tigers according to you and last but not least, last time I've checked the tanks had guns mounted on them, so how about you compare these too?
On a related note, do you also believe Stuart outclasses P4?
Because that is pretty much the relation of KV-1 to tiger.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
17 Feb 2015, 23:41 PM
#131
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Pro tip, it's the things following the KV1 that the Tiger needs to worry about the most, not the KV1 itself.
Oh yea? you should upload a pro level replay of yours first before giving tips.
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17 Feb 2015, 23:43 PM
#132
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No, they are not.
You're looking at single player campaign unit.
http://www.coh2-stats.com/vehicles/kv-1_commander_mp
This is multiplayer KV-1.
Also, feel free to post all the replays where KV-1 beats tigers according to you and last but not least, last time I've checked the tanks had guns mounted on them, so how about you compare these too?
On a related note, do you also believe Stuart outclasses P4?
Because that is pretty much the relation of KV-1 to tiger.
I clicked on the wrong KV-1 then, but no a Stuart doesn't outclass a P4 as neither are in the same tank class ever. The KV1 and Tiger are both heavy tanks, the Tiger only slightly beating out the KV1 in every way but speed/reload time but at a high cost.
But I refuse to believe you have played this game as long as you have and not seen a Tiger die to a KV1 or two, while a rare occurrence, the much more often thing is that the KV1 tanks the damage (pun intended obviously) and then when the Tiger moves back to repair it gets turned into a smear because it got hit by the most powerful artillery piece in the game for the sin of standing still for a few seconds.
17 Feb 2015, 23:50 PM
#133
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Oh yea? you should upload a pro level replay of yours first before giving tips.
Tiger Health: 1040.0
B4 hit with no modifier: 640 damage
B4 hit with For Mother Russia: 960
B4 hit with vet 3 and For Mother Russia: 1440
B4 hit with all of the above and mark target:
17 Feb 2015, 23:57 PM
#134
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Tiger Health: 1040.0
B4 hit with no modifier: 640 damage
B4 hit with For Mother Russia: 960
B4 hit with vet 3 and For Mother Russia: 1440
B4 hit with all of the above and mark target:
Stop comparing B4 to like everything my God, players don't always pick this doctrine every single game.
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18 Feb 2015, 00:05 AM
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Stop comparing B4 to like everything my God, players don't always pick this doctrine every single game.
The B4 is just the most creative way to deal with Axis armor, there are several commanders with T34/85s which do the job just fine, and the IS2 Shock Rifle Commander is the best Soviet commander in the game.
When you have so many options for killing a Tiger in some of the best Soviet doctrines, how is it any way honest to say Tiger's are hard to deal with. And if your playing USF just get a Jackson and an AT gun or two. Or just get 2 Jacksons because it's not like you need armor to deal with Ostheer infantry while rifles exist.
18 Feb 2015, 00:36 AM
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The saddest part is that if you went any of the Tiger commanders you won't have a single counter to B4
Dude, plz stop posting bullshit.
Tiger: Armor 300/180 --- Pen 220/200/180 --- RoF 5.25
KV1: Armor 270/165 --- Pen 120/100/80 --- RoF 5.75
There are 3 commanders with Tigers (not counting TA)
Assault support: Bombing strike
Spearhead: Bombing strike + Recon run
Lighting: if you don't have any other target, CAS will destroy any support weapon.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
18 Feb 2015, 00:51 AM
#137
Posts: 4951 | Subs: 1
Dude, plz stop posting bullshit.
Tiger: Armor 300/180 --- Pen 220/200/180 --- RoF 5.25
KV1: Armor 270/165 --- Pen 120/100/80 --- RoF 5.75
There are 3 commanders with Tigers (not counting TA)
Assault support: Bombing strike
Spearhead: Bombing strike + Recon run
Lighting: if you don't have any other target, CAS will destroy any support weapon.
I already apologized for posting the wrong KV1 stats, but your insistence any of those doctrines counter B4 when they literally do the opposite is adorable.
Please, PLEASE decrew my B4's
18 Feb 2015, 02:16 AM
#138
Posts: 959
No matter what a thread is about, it always ends up confrontation of allies and axis fan players! 
18 Feb 2015, 02:32 AM
#140
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
I already apologized for posting the wrong KV1 stats, but your insistence any of those doctrines counter B4 when they literally do the opposite is adorable.
Please, PLEASE decrew my B4's
You should be decrewing your B4s before shooting your first shot
I don't think it's too hard to give the weapon a higher popcap value...
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
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