PGrens with double panzerschrecks against USF
13 Feb 2015, 14:40 PM
#1
Posts: 75
... denying access to all kind of vehicles this shitty faction (USF) has. That's too much firepower for a mere 120 Muni investment. One panzershreck should be good enough to deal with a bunch of glass canons, no? Storms are the perfect example of an AT-On-Foot unit.
13 Feb 2015, 14:46 PM
#2
Posts: 1705
Whatever,its one shotted by sherman HE anyway and often e8s as well.
13 Feb 2015, 14:50 PM
#3
Posts: 611
I don't understand the point your trying to make. Are you saying they're op with two schreck because early schrecks delay lmgs.
13 Feb 2015, 14:51 PM
#4
Posts: 1003
They are fine. We dont need another Volks squad (good versus all).
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
13 Feb 2015, 14:58 PM
#5
Posts: 1225
Pgrens aren't really good against either inf or vehicles...
13 Feb 2015, 15:06 PM
#6
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PzGrens are not fine but not because of OPness. Thery are not fine because they are 4-man, expesinve squad with very expensive upgrade that is very often one-shotted by mortar, sherman, IS, ISU etc.
To huge investment is such squishy squad.
Make them cost 400 but give them 5th man.
To huge investment is such squishy squad.
Make them cost 400 but give them 5th man.
13 Feb 2015, 15:09 PM
#7
Posts: 75
We dont need another Volks...
They come out much later, cost more and aren't "spammable" at all.
13 Feb 2015, 15:24 PM
#8
Posts: 1003
They come out much later, cost more and aren't "spammable" at all.
Much later? You can build tier 2 after 5 min.
Grens with lmg are now better, but we see after next patch.(LMG is now magical weapon across all sides)
I can imagine 3-4 squads PzG (squad with one shreck) as a universal blob versus all.
In CoH1 you can purchase for PzG lmg or/and PzSchreck. Much better, then now.
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
13 Feb 2015, 15:28 PM
#9
Posts: 75
5 Pgrens? Where do you get the MP? Then who was capturing points and gaining map control during the first minutes?
13 Feb 2015, 15:36 PM
#10
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Welcome to hyperbolecity, John Doe.
120 Munitions on a expensive squad is a big investment, for a squad that often gets wiped in their line of duty.
Funny thing is, PGs would be somewhat spammable, if they only had one Schreck as upgrade.
120 Munitions on a expensive squad is a big investment, for a squad that often gets wiped in their line of duty.
Funny thing is, PGs would be somewhat spammable, if they only had one Schreck as upgrade.
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"Axis can STALL2WIN to get to that late game, there is really no hope for USF competitively short of getting the best side of the best USF maps and being an order of magnitude better than your opponent." - SageOfTheSix, after losing to Jesulin's Ostheer on Semoskiy Winter
13 Feb 2015, 15:37 PM
#11
Posts: 1003
5 Pgrens? Where do you get the MP? Then who was capturing points and gaining map control during the first minutes?
Oh, sorry. I play team games. From my perspective capping is not problem. You synergy with another mates and you can use builds, which in 1v1 are not so effective.
In 1v1 your proposal can work, but total destroy team game ballance (how now make Volks with shrecks).
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
13 Feb 2015, 15:39 PM
#12
Posts: 27
One panzershreck should be good enough to deal with a bunch of glass canons, no?
I'm quite sure giving them only one schreck would only make you hate them more, since they would maintain a decent AI value and would be more tempting to spam.
13 Feb 2015, 15:47 PM
#13
Posts: 75
One schreck and their STGs replaced with 3 Kars.
13 Feb 2015, 16:06 PM
#14
8 Posts: 2470
yeah but then they're not pgrens any more. that's a hell of a lot more involved than just changing the schreck upgrade from 1 to 2 and 120 to 60 or 90 mun.
13 Feb 2015, 16:22 PM
#15
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Permanently BannedThey are good at forcing off armor that rushes you, but they can still be kited and only really shine in combined assaults. Its a risky investment because you're often strapped for muni vs americans so the lack of lmg42s will hurt you the longer you wait.
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13 Feb 2015, 18:12 PM
#16
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Funny thing is, PGs would be somewhat spammable, if they only had one Schreck as upgrade.
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And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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13 Feb 2015, 18:15 PM
#17
Posts: 440
PzGrens are not fine but not because of OPness. Thery are not fine because they are 4-man, expesinve squad with very expensive upgrade that is very often one-shotted by mortar, sherman, IS, ISU etc.
To huge investment is such squishy squad.
Make them cost 400 but give them 5th man.
ding ding ding, give the man a prize.
13 Feb 2015, 18:16 PM
#18
Posts: 4951 | Subs: 1
They are far to squishy, I normally don't even give them shreks any more because they are pretty good at killing enemy infantry. Of course I never normally get more than 1 or 2.
Really it all comes down to it the fact since the giant ramp up in DPS and Indirect fire 4 man squads are no longer as viable as they used to be with the current bunching and movement mechanics.
Really it all comes down to it the fact since the giant ramp up in DPS and Indirect fire 4 man squads are no longer as viable as they used to be with the current bunching and movement mechanics.
13 Feb 2015, 18:21 PM
#19
Posts: 954
One shreck for them is enough, their veterancy bonus/4men will never allow them to be another volk
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
13 Feb 2015, 18:23 PM
#20
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Oh please, Panzergrenadiers are probably one of the few units in this game that work as intended. You have a dedicated AI squad and you can upgrade it with 120 munitions to make it a dedicated AT squad, sacrificing pretty much all AI capabilites. Actually more units should be like that, instead of Allrounders.
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