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PGrens with double panzerschrecks against USF

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Isn't one panzershreck enough fro them?
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13 Feb 2015, 14:40 PM
#1
avatar of John Doe

Posts: 75

... denying access to all kind of vehicles this shitty faction (USF) has. That's too much firepower for a mere 120 Muni investment. One panzershreck should be good enough to deal with a bunch of glass canons, no? Storms are the perfect example of an AT-On-Foot unit.
13 Feb 2015, 14:46 PM
#2
avatar of austerlitz

Posts: 1705

Whatever,its one shotted by sherman HE anyway and often e8s as well.
13 Feb 2015, 14:50 PM
#3
avatar of skemshead

Posts: 611

I don't understand the point your trying to make. Are you saying they're op with two schreck because early schrecks delay lmgs.

13 Feb 2015, 14:51 PM
#4
avatar of Aradan

Posts: 1003

They are fine. We dont need another Volks squad (good versus all).
13 Feb 2015, 14:58 PM
#5
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Posts: 1225

Pgrens aren't really good against either inf or vehicles...
13 Feb 2015, 15:06 PM
#6
avatar of Australian Magic

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PzGrens are not fine but not because of OPness. Thery are not fine because they are 4-man, expesinve squad with very expensive upgrade that is very often one-shotted by mortar, sherman, IS, ISU etc.
To huge investment is such squishy squad.

Make them cost 400 but give them 5th man.
13 Feb 2015, 15:09 PM
#7
avatar of John Doe

Posts: 75

jump backJump back to quoted post13 Feb 2015, 14:51 PMAradan
We dont need another Volks...


They come out much later, cost more and aren't "spammable" at all.
13 Feb 2015, 15:24 PM
#8
avatar of Aradan

Posts: 1003



They come out much later, cost more and aren't "spammable" at all.


Much later? You can build tier 2 after 5 min.

Grens with lmg are now better, but we see after next patch.(LMG is now magical weapon across all sides)
I can imagine 3-4 squads PzG (squad with one shreck) as a universal blob versus all.

In CoH1 you can purchase for PzG lmg or/and PzSchreck. Much better, then now. <444>_<444>
13 Feb 2015, 15:28 PM
#9
avatar of John Doe

Posts: 75

5 Pgrens? Where do you get the MP? Then who was capturing points and gaining map control during the first minutes?
13 Feb 2015, 15:36 PM
#10
avatar of Ginnungagap

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Welcome to hyperbolecity, John Doe.

120 Munitions on a expensive squad is a big investment, for a squad that often gets wiped in their line of duty.

Funny thing is, PGs would be somewhat spammable, if they only had one Schreck as upgrade.
13 Feb 2015, 15:37 PM
#11
avatar of Aradan

Posts: 1003

5 Pgrens? Where do you get the MP? Then who was capturing points and gaining map control during the first minutes?


Oh, sorry. I play team games. From my perspective capping is not problem. You synergy with another mates and you can use builds, which in 1v1 are not so effective.

In 1v1 your proposal can work, but total destroy team game ballance (how now make Volks with shrecks).
13 Feb 2015, 15:39 PM
#12
avatar of Nailirie

Posts: 27

One panzershreck should be good enough to deal with a bunch of glass canons, no?


I'm quite sure giving them only one schreck would only make you hate them more, since they would maintain a decent AI value and would be more tempting to spam.

13 Feb 2015, 15:47 PM
#13
avatar of John Doe

Posts: 75

One schreck and their STGs replaced with 3 Kars.
13 Feb 2015, 16:06 PM
#14
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
Patrion 28

Posts: 2470

yeah but then they're not pgrens any more. that's a hell of a lot more involved than just changing the schreck upgrade from 1 to 2 and 120 to 60 or 90 mun.
13 Feb 2015, 16:22 PM
#15
avatar of daspoulos

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They are good at forcing off armor that rushes you, but they can still be kited and only really shine in combined assaults. Its a risky investment because you're often strapped for muni vs americans so the lack of lmg42s will hurt you the longer you wait.
13 Feb 2015, 18:12 PM
#16
avatar of elchino7
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Funny thing is, PGs would be somewhat spammable, if they only had one Schreck as upgrade.


13 Feb 2015, 18:15 PM
#17
avatar of Death's Head

Posts: 440

PzGrens are not fine but not because of OPness. Thery are not fine because they are 4-man, expesinve squad with very expensive upgrade that is very often one-shotted by mortar, sherman, IS, ISU etc.
To huge investment is such squishy squad.

Make them cost 400 but give them 5th man.


ding ding ding, give the man a prize.
13 Feb 2015, 18:16 PM
#18
avatar of Alexzandvar

Posts: 4951 | Subs: 1

They are far to squishy, I normally don't even give them shreks any more because they are pretty good at killing enemy infantry. Of course I never normally get more than 1 or 2.

Really it all comes down to it the fact since the giant ramp up in DPS and Indirect fire 4 man squads are no longer as viable as they used to be with the current bunching and movement mechanics.
13 Feb 2015, 18:21 PM
#19
avatar of UGBEAR

Posts: 954

One shreck for them is enough, their veterancy bonus/4men will never allow them to be another volk
13 Feb 2015, 18:23 PM
#20
avatar of luvnest
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Oh please, Panzergrenadiers are probably one of the few units in this game that work as intended. You have a dedicated AI squad and you can upgrade it with 120 munitions to make it a dedicated AT squad, sacrificing pretty much all AI capabilites. Actually more units should be like that, instead of Allrounders.
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