A Suggestion For Panther Balance

Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2015, 20:04 PMButcher

In CoH2 the Panther is currently perfectly balanced. Previous patches showed us how useless it can become if it is turned down (even slightly).

It needs mobility as it lacks the range of other tank destroyers. With 60 range one could consider giving it less reverse speed.

So better don´t touch the Panther.

Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2015, 18:37 PMJHeartless

I was joking about the secure mode part. But not the Blitz part. Why should the Panther be the fastest tank in the game by far, with the highest armor value of any Medium tank, plus the highest HP pool of any medium tank, PLUS the Penetration of constant HVAP Jackson rounds?

You remember when the Panther nerf first took place in vCOH2? That was for a reason. Then they simply reverted all the nerfs including to Blitz. Soo soo silly they should have just increased the Panthers craptastic ROF.

But we are back to need for speed adamantium Panther once again...

Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2015, 19:43 PMAlexzandvar

If your opponent is spamming Panthers get AT guns and AT grenades and laugh as he tries to use a Tank Hunter to kill infantry. Seriously there is really not all that much a panther can do about massed infantry, even a large amount of Zooks will fuck it up hard if you hit somewhere other than the front armor.

A person who over extendeds with Panthers is an idiot, and you should punish him with a nice AT grenade to the rear and some ZiS love.

Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2015, 21:40 PMAustralian Magic

Unless 2-3 Obers squads are approaching with that Panther. AT Gun can do a pudding then.

The problem with Panther is that it does not have any weak point.
Let's look at rest Tank Hunters.

SU - no turret, no MG, slow, easy to flank.
Jackson - glass cannon, useless on narrow maps when facing Jadgpanzer.
Elephnat & Jadgtiger - no turret, very, very slow, no MG
Panther - range between tanks and tank hunters, great armor, great penetration, MG, blitz making it a race tank, smoke. No weak points.

Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2015, 22:37 PMAlexzandvar

It's weak point is the fact it's armor outside the frontal is weak, if he is charging through your lines to get at your tanks throw some AT grenades to snare him, then hit him with AT guns and your Tank Destroyers.

If your opponent has 2-3 Obers just laugh in his face as that Panther will probably be his only AT, so when it dies because he overreached like an idiot he will be SOL and your mediums can eat his Obers. Seriously 3 Obers is insanely excessive.

Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2015, 23:45 PMdaspoulos

Just like side armor, which would be a critical balancing factor, engines cannot work in reverse in the game due to the game engine design. Even though limiting blitzkrieg to only go forward would be the perfect balance decision it cannot be done. Try to think of a different way without gimping the tank too hard. Even so I find blitzkrieg more imbalanced on tigers and King tigers, the ability can simply be removed for them in place of other abilities. For tiger replace blitz with S-,ine launcher, for King tiger make it a long 50-60 range shot. Or sort of a hull down mode where the driver helps load shells making it immobile for a time but increased fire rate and like +5 range. But has a cooldown timer so it becomes very vulnerable to flanks due to slow turret speed and lack of movement.

Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2015, 22:46 PMAustralian Magic

Okey, I don't know how you are playing but chasing any tanks when you see AT guns and infantry in front of you is not something any decent player would do.

Weak point = rear armor? Really? You can say this about all tanks.
By they way 110 rear armor while Wolverine and Jackson have 120/130 front armor
Please, don't use such stupid arguments.

So how you want to shoot with AT gun if Obers will kill front-man all the time?
And 3 Obers is not something weird. Most of the time you can afford 2 squads at the moment your T4 is ready. OKW is floating with MP.

Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2015, 23:22 PMThoseDeafMutes

Is it possible for Blitz ability to disable reversing?

Like, keep the speed, but rather than only applying extra forward speed and not helping the reverse speed (which is apparently impossible in the engine people are saying? lmao), if we could lock down reverse movement it would make it riskier. It would be useful in an offensive capacity, but to escape they would need to turn and face their rear armor or find an alternate side route to get out.

No more warp speed reverse to save Tigers and Panthers and utter nonsense like that.

Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2015, 14:30 PMWingZero

I think reducing the reversing speed of the Panther would make it really difficult to keep Axis armor in the field. The Jackson spam is already difficult to handle with Panthers, imagine if I cant reverse fast enough to escape.

Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2015, 14:30 PMWingZero

I think reducing the reversing speed of the Panther would make it really difficult to keep Axis armor in the field. The Jackson spam is already difficult to handle with Panthers, imagine if I cant reverse fast enough to escape.

Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2015, 22:13 PMNuclear Arbitor

don't put it in a situation where it can't; cover it with other units and use shot blockers. decreasing the reverse speed wouldn't suddenly make the tank over-extendable, it would just make it easier to do so. and really, it should apply to all tanks. although until i hear otherwise i'm going to assume it's not possible.

Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2015, 14:50 PMJHeartless

Like the old Tiger ace they arent such a problem in team games where you can have a Soviet drop Mark Vehicle on its ass and Pound it with a Jackson wall but in 1v1 they are a terror on the OKW faction. Because they literally can be the first tank and are cheaper than the first Sherman (if you went Captain or got ANY upgrade really).

If someone builds 2 Jacksons in a 1v1 to counter 1 Panther A move Shrek Blob in...