Remove Shreck from Volks

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2015, 20:16 PMEsxile

The powerfulness of Shreck isn't the shreck itself or volks, just that OKW can spend all its ammo in it.

What make 1919 good but not that overpowered, the fact USF need ammo for many others abilities. Of course you can decide to invest all your ammo in it, but at the end, that's a strategic decision and it weaken you somewhere else.

Make volks shreck blob costing the same, but add or increase all other ammo prices of OKW abilites, add an ammo price to obers LMG, to falls, to

jaigen

to panzerfusiliers etc... and you' ll see a decrease of shreck spam. People will have to make strategic decisions again and decide how best invest ammo and fuel to have enough AI and AT on the field.

Today it is just easy to spend any single munitions point on shreck since you know you'll have ammo free AI stuff.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2015, 23:43 PMGlendizzle

Puma up? Seriously? That thing wrecks allied stock mediums unless you play it wrong. It has good survivability since it has smoke. And quityerbitchin about pen rates. Try Jacksons vs heavies and then we might talk. Puma out ranges everything that isn't a td. To quote many better men than me "L2P issue."

I still fail to grasp how okw would fall apart if shreks were moved to sturms. You'd get a snare and ai upgrade for volks and everybody always has 2 sturms by mid anyway. You'd have 4 shreks still, where is the problem? Also your raketenwerfer would get buffed too. This would add a bit of depth to the faction, not cripple it.

God forbid you can't get the best at weapon on your cheap nigh invincible infantry.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2015, 23:37 PMAlexzandvar

Just because you play against terrible players doesn't mean you know what you are talking about. You know what would have countered those mediums a million times better? Shreks. You know what does well against IS2's? The Panther, Jadgpanzer will also do work.

Stop trying to sell people this retarded bullshit that just because you beat a idiot using them, or got insanely lucky with penetration that the Puma is worth 70 fuel at a reduced income when could be spending that fuel on something that has a lot better transition mid to late game.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2015, 19:14 PMAlexzandvar

It costs 182 fuel, 66 for the truck and 116 for the puma. Numbers adjusted for reduced fuel income.

It really doesn't over preform for it's cost, sorry.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 01:56 AM☭ Калашникова ☭

And here lies the problem;
Vet 1: -10% received accuracy
Vet 3: -10% received accuracy Healing when out of combat
Vet 5: -29% received accuracy

Vet 5 volks have near -50% received accuracy, on top of a squad that has 1 Shreck.
If volks loose the shreck however there will be no reason to build them over sturmpios.
Adjusting the vet is the way to go, While Panzergrens have dual Shrecks they are very vulnerable
T-34 can do a lot of damage to them.

In the end just make volks more vulnerable to fire 49% is a insane bonus.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 06:08 AMOZtheWiZARD

Just because you don't have a clue or skill how to use a unit it doesn't mean its under performing.
Stop creating problems where there is none. I play 1v1 and 2v2 only and I can see how in large team games Puma would be neglected due to increase rate of tech but this shouldn't compromise the balance of more relevant game modes.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 10:35 AMJaigen

You do realize that pg's ave the same durability at vet 2 and that received accuracy does jack against the tanks main cannon?

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 01:56 AM☭ Калашникова ☭

In the end just make volks more vulnerable to fire 49% is a insane bonus.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 14:58 PMBurts

Lol at people saying the puma, flak HT are underperforming.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 06:08 AMOZtheWiZARD

Just because you don't have a clue or skill how to use a unit it doesn't mean its under performing.
Stop creating problems where there is none. I play 1v1 and 2v2 only and I can see how in large team games Puma would be neglected due to increase rate of tech but this shouldn't compromise the balance of more relevant game modes.


Edit:

Also I like how you assumed I play against bad players because I don't know why. I guess that's what you do when you run out of counter arguments.
I play against players that are so bad they would flood you with Shermans and T-34 when you would try to stall a game waiting for Panther.
I'm not saying I go Puma every game but when I do I get my moneys worth.
Last time I checked I was around 1000 elo 2v2 as OKW. I haven't played for a few weeks now as I'm waiting for new patch but since meta has been stale for almost 3 months I don't think it matters.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2015, 20:34 PMQueenRatchet123

Are you fucking Retarded?

Ive never! EVER! lost a puma to an m36/m10

Jesus u must be complete trash to not be able to use smoke ( its get out of jail free card)

puma wins a against a jackson and an m10 if u learn how to micro.

Jesus christ man. you've said some dumb shit. But this takes the cake.

You can no longer be taken seriously

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 22:00 PMJuanElstretchyNeck

This coming from the guy who thinks Ass grens counter M3's Kappa

Also to all the braindead fools who think the Puma is a counter to Medium tanks - get a clue. When have you EVER seen a Puma beat ANY medium tank WITHOUT SHREK SUPPORT?

Puma is only viable in 1v1, anything above and it is far too vulnerable. Even in 1v1's, Jacksons absolutely destroy the puma, and shermans T34 can still more than stand up to an unsupported Puma. I bet all these people saying Puma is OP have never played a game as OKW and have no idea just how easily it dies.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 22:00 PMJuanElstretchyNeck

This coming from the guy who thinks Ass grens counter M3's Kappa

Also to all the braindead fools who think the Puma is a counter to Medium tanks - get a clue. When have you EVER seen a Puma beat ANY medium tank WITHOUT SHREK SUPPORT?

Puma is only viable in 1v1, anything above and it is far too vulnerable. Even in 1v1's, Jacksons absolutely destroy the puma, and shermans T34 can still more than stand up to an unsupported Puma. I bet all these people saying Puma is OP have never played a game as OKW and have no idea just how easily it dies.