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soviet t3 and t4 cost issues....

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9 Jan 2015, 22:10 PM
#41
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L2P advice from someone who does not show card or any replay.. come on..
Worst medium tank, worst tank destroyer, no stock late-game infantry, useless su-76, unused M5. Only Snipers are powerful. M3 and Penals as well but only at the beginning.

On the other hand we have Luchs, Obers, Panther, Stuka, Puma, Flak truck... All of them are very powerful.


You haven't apparently not learned one bit . after that little replay i and several others are completely convinced that your skills and your understanding of this game is on the lowest levels. Everything you say is simply not relevant to many.

now im a casual player but i dont need some elitist saying to me that i suck because im not willing to invest 60 hours in coh 2 a week.being anonymous prevents that shame you where not smart enough to realise that.
9 Jan 2015, 22:18 PM
#42
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Oh please show us your elite skills for all of us noobs
9 Jan 2015, 22:28 PM
#43
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Posts: 123

guys stay on topic youre personal attacks and egos i could care less about..
9 Jan 2015, 22:32 PM
#44
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If micro is good, t2 and then stall for callins is much fuel efficient
9 Jan 2015, 22:54 PM
#45
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T34/76 is good for what it does, but not for its price. It should be priced about the same as a Stug. Tier 3 and 4 should cost between 20 to 60 fuel less than they do now.

The Katyusha sucks usually because you get that one noob who techs up to it first and then the axis tanks start popping up and he has no tanks to support for his at guns.
9 Jan 2015, 23:10 PM
#46
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T34/76 is actually pretty okay for its price. It doesn't kill a PIV, but its slightly cheaper and it seems to be a little better against infantry. The unit itself is hardly a problem. The real problem lies in the fact that once you choose going for T34s, you really can't afford to get something else to back them up for heavier AT, because you've spent all your fuel on insanely expensive tech. There's just no way you can get both T3 and T4 as Soviets.

But seriously, the T34/76 is mostly fine imho.
9 Jan 2015, 23:29 PM
#47
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T34/76 is actually pretty okay for its price. It doesn't kill a PIV, but its slightly cheaper and it seems to be a little better against infantry.


It has worse AI actually, Panzer IV's MG 34's are better than the T-34's DT's, the Panzer IV had better AoE and slightly less scatter, and fires faster. It also has the roof MG upgrade, there's no contest.
10 Jan 2015, 00:06 AM
#48
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Oh please show us your elite skills for all of us noobs


He is a High Priest of Nullism.

All talk and it would be actual surprise if he played at all.
10 Jan 2015, 00:09 AM
#49
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T34/76 is actually pretty bad now that they fixed that bug. It lowered the units ROF which made it crappy. The gun on the T34 is incredibly RNG-based. The Pz4 is so much better
10 Jan 2015, 11:12 AM
#50
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jan 2015, 00:09 AMNinjaWJ
T34/76 is actually pretty bad now that they fixed that bug. It lowered the units ROF which made it crappy. The gun on the T34 is incredibly RNG-based. The Pz4 is so much better



Yeah that's why every ost players get the p4. no wait they dont. the t-34 is a fine unit but if you play against the okw the only tanks you are going to face are tank destroyers. the t-34 is still a better ai tank then the p4 because of the lower scatter and the fact that ost/okw has less men per squad. less at and it has a good chance of losing to the p4 but what do you expect when the p4 cost 25 more fuel.

safe for the su76 who needs a light penetration buff and the su85 who needs a rotation buff all the units in the soviet arsenal are fine. that the soviets are spoiled with their over efficient 85 who requires no teching doesnt mean that the t-34 is bad. perhaps the 85 needs a nerf or needs to be tied to teching.
10 Jan 2015, 17:14 PM
#51
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jan 2015, 11:12 AMJaigen



Yeah that's why every ost players get the p4. no wait they dont. the t-34 is a fine unit but if you play against the okw the only tanks you are going to face are tank destroyers. the t-34 is still a better ai tank then the p4 because of the lower scatter and the fact that ost/okw has less men per squad. less at and it has a good chance of losing to the p4 but what do you expect when the p4 cost 25 more fuel.

safe for the su76 who needs a light penetration buff and the su85 who needs a rotation buff all the units in the soviet arsenal are fine. that the soviets are spoiled with their over efficient 85 who requires no teching doesnt mean that the t-34 is bad. perhaps the 85 needs a nerf or needs to be tied to teching.


um, this needs ocnfiration, but im pretty sure PZ4 has lower scatter and surpasses the T34 in AI with the MG upgrade (or even without).

and im pretty sure soviet players are going doctrinal armor because nondoc sucks and is expensive

10 Jan 2015, 18:12 PM
#52
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Even for tier pricing t34s can still come out at the 10-11 minute mark. Ever think about that?
10 Jan 2015, 18:23 PM
#53
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Even for tier pricing t34s can still come out at the 10-11 minute mark. Ever think about that?

Assuming early soviet player dominance over both fuels, no molotovs, no AT nades.
Which is quite rich assumption.

*takes a quick look at playercard*

And obviously there are 4v4 lolfests where everything goes.
10 Jan 2015, 18:37 PM
#54
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Even for tier pricing t34s can still come out at the 10-11 minute mark. Ever think about that?


same with ostheer pz4
10 Jan 2015, 18:51 PM
#55
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Even for tier pricing t34s can still come out at the 10-11 minute mark. Ever think about that?


And the fun begins when 3mins later OKW can deploy Panther :foreveralone:
10 Jan 2015, 19:13 PM
#56
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jan 2015, 11:12 AMJaigen

the t-34 is still a better ai tank then the p4 because of the lower scatter


This has only been untrue for 9 months now, it is simply cruel to expect people to have caught up with that change. :foreveralone:

T34's primary anti-infantry weapon are its threads. The gun might as well not exist 95% of the time.
10 Jan 2015, 19:23 PM
#57
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it's probably a lot of different factors that make soviet t3 and t4 tiers unattractive.

1. expensive fuel tech - why save up for a building when that fuel can be invested ino a call-in later?


2. call-ins have better tanks - IS2, ISU, t34/85

3. Tier 3 and Tier 4 - not very good units. They would be good if they had some better vet. I think veterancy that does not really increase survivability is kinda bad. I mean it seems balanced on paper, but in a game where unit preservation is so important, defensive vet seems important.
10 Jan 2015, 19:50 PM
#58
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jan 2015, 19:13 PMCruzz


This has only been untrue for 9 months now, it is simply cruel to expect people to have caught up with that change. :foreveralone:

T34's primary anti-infantry weapon are its threads. The gun might as well not exist 95% of the time.


I wouldn't expect any accuracy from the high priest of Nullism.
How could he know that if he doesn't play the game at all.

I mean, there is more evidence of Big Foot, Aliens and Polish football team that actually can play then it is of him doing anything else then full time forum warring without playing the game.
10 Jan 2015, 20:45 PM
#59
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jan 2015, 19:13 PMCruzz


This has only been untrue for 9 months now, it is simply cruel to expect people to have caught up with that change. :foreveralone:

T34's primary anti-infantry weapon are its threads. The gun might as well not exist 95% of the time.


you really have to explain this one and the source as well.
10 Jan 2015, 21:53 PM
#60
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jan 2015, 11:12 AMJaigen
the t-34 is still a better ai tank then the p4 because of the lower scatter and the fact that ost/okw has less men per squad.
It has worse AI actually, Panzer IV's MG 34's are better than the T-34's DT's, the Panzer IV had better AoE and slightly less scatter, and fires faster. It also has the roof MG upgrade, there's no contest.

jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jan 2015, 20:45 PMJaigen
you really have to explain this one and the source as well.
  • He's Cruzz, he knows the game files better than you.
  • Panzer IV Ausf. G:
    - Scatter: 7.5 x 6.4
    - Reload: 5.3 - 5.7
    - KwK 40
    - MG 34
    - MG 42

    T-34/76 M1943:
    - Scatter: 7.5 x 6.9
    - Reload: 5.2 - 5.8
    - F-34
    - DT
    - N/A NO TURRET
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