Received accuracy vs Infantry armour

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2015, 04:52 AMbraciszek

Armor makes infantry visually take a lot of hits, in which i referred to battles between conscripts and grenadiers of old as "cap gun" skirmishes. But i would think received accuracy makes HMG's less effective as opposed to armor, in which HMG's have more than one penetration. Technically your suggestion would make HMG's more useful against infantry with super received accuracy.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2015, 05:16 AMjoebill

As I understand it, suppression is incurred when you are shot at, regardless of hit or miss. Accuracy has nothing to do with suppression. Cover just lowers the amount of suppression dealt per shot.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2015, 05:16 AMjoebill

As I understand it, suppression is incurred when you are shot at, regardless of hit or miss. Accuracy has nothing to do with suppression. Cover just lowers the amount of suppression dealt per shot.

Suppression
Suppression far:
    0.0175
Suppression radius:
    10.0
Nerby multiplier:
    0.4 

Suppression
Suppression far:
    0.012
Suppression radius:
    11.5
Nerby multiplier:
    0.8 

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2015, 04:53 AMsteel

Exactly, right now we're seeing a lot of bum rush with infantry because HMGs can't stop them at all. This might just work to promote better play.

Sep 9 2014
Obersoldaten

We converted the unit’s armor into received accuracy, as received accuracy blends in better with the current structure of infantry combat. Units can negate the received accuracy through veterancy and positioning; whereas, armor is only negated through penetration which heavy weapons possess. Additionally, the damage of the KAR 98 was increased to offset the damage reduction on the LMG34.
KAR 98 damage from 14 to 16
Armor from 1.25 to 1
Received accuracy modifier from 0.87 to 0.7

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2015, 19:40 PMDoomgunner

Looked up Relic's changelog when they changed Ubersoldaten armor to received accuracy:
http://community.companyofheroes.com/forum/company-of-heroes-2/company-of-heroes-2-general-discussion/67-coh-2-changelog/page4


The reason given was that infantry received accuracy can be overcome by veterancy (as vet infantry units gains accuracy bonuses), whereas armor does not(as no vet infantry unit gains penetration).

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2015, 04:33 AMNuclear Arbitor

http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/maxim_m1910_hmg_mp

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Jump back to quoted post10 Jul 2014, 17:44 PMMilkaCow

Yes and no.

Accuracy does not affect suppression against the squad itself, but it affects splash suppression. Basically:

For every bullet shot at the target squad it will receive the suppression value of the bullet multiplied with the cover modifier and modifier if the squad is suppressed, regardless if it hits or not.
Suppression_amount * cover_table_entry * squad_state_entry = Suppression per shot on target squad


For every bullet hitting the target squad all squads in an area around it will suppress all all squads in an area around it depending on the cover modifier of the targeted squad (not the ones nearby!), the state modifier (pinned/suppressed) of the targeted squad the splash modifier.
Suppression_amount * cover_table_entry * nearby_suppression_multiplier * squad_state_entry = Suppression per hit on target squad for all squads in a nearby_suppression_radius area around the squad.

Keep the "targeted" and "hit" in mind. Accuracy matters for splash suppression and both splash and target suppression depend on the cover and state of the target squad.

Complicated? A bit
Now look at what that means:

If you are shooting at a pinned/suppressed squad, others in the area will receive lower suppression!
If you have two squads as targets, one in the open, one in green cover and you shoot at the one in the open, both will quickly get suppressed. If you shoot at the one in cover, none will get suppressed.
If you fire at a house, nearby units will not receive noticeable suppression.
And now comes the really trick part where knowledge shines.
If you fire at an Oberkommando truck or a tank, it will deal no damage, but massively suppress all squads around it since usually cover, state and accuracy are all < 1. For a tank as target they are all 1, meaning you have a huge splash suppression! ;p