Axis heavy armor needs nerf or Allied AT needs buffs

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 13:02 PMBrutusHR

What is funny about that? Jpz4 is designed to ambush and destroy enemy tank, When the pjz4 aim at you, he will be harder to hit than m3 or t70, height is only(!!) 1.85 m, it is wider and longer than m3 and t70, still worth to compensate on that if u can reduce height of a tank that is going to ambush enemy tanks.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 13:18 PMJHeartless

Realism vs Balance. A Jackson should be an upgrade for an M10. So I would say 80 Fuel plus 100 Muni would be fair. Since almost all Jacksons were just turrets shipped to Europe and mounted on an M10.

Having Brit Arty emplacements were realistic too. No smoke and the ability to erase squads. US actually were the leaders in Artillery at the time. Realism isnt fun...

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 14:26 PMPorygon

Tiger I is a joke.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 14:36 PMAustralian Magic

T70 is smaller everywhere (just 20cm higher).
Its about balance. Powerful gun, very good front armor, sneak mode, small target size.
Im not saying its OP but Im saying thats is little unbalance to give unit so many profits.

Like i said, smaller target size makes sense, because m3 is alot and t70 something less higher than jpz4, Very simple, just imagine that any of these 3 tanks facing u. Who will be the hardest target to hit?

It is a OK unit, if it isn't OP then it isn't unbalanced, it is still pricey and i will rather go for panther. It can't see in reverse and that is a huge minus. It can have every possible feature in game, if it isn't OP or UP then don't change it. There is alot of other things to fix than units that don't need fixing, like 60% of the current game.

Still, i dont see it often on battlefield. Because there are better things to invest fuel, and if this unit need any change, i dare to say that it will sooner need a buff than a nerf. My 2 cents.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 16:02 PMCieZ

Oh boy yet another one of these threads, boy they sure are fun...

Here's the way I see it. The panther, jackson and jp4 are all in a good spot. The su85 just sucks, literally the worst tank in the game. Contrary to popular belief, and the ignorance in this thread, the Jackson has basically the same chance to penetrate the front of a tiger, without vet ability popped, as the panther has to penetrate the front of an is2. The Jackson has a twenty range advantage over the tiger, the panther only a 10 range advantage. At vet 2 is2s just dominate Panthers because they have the same range as Panthers. Jacksons never suffer from this.


For those that are saying that Jacksons are slow, go look at the stats. If Jacksons are slow, then so are Panthers, which no one ever complains about... Both these tanks have amazing mobility.

The reality is that all mediums suffer from a major disparity in power level when compared to heavies, which is one of the main reasons I think we see so many heavies, and this applies to both sides of the coin. P4s are just as helpless and terrible against is2 as t34 76 are against tigers.

But yeah, there are a lot of misinformed myths being perpetuated in this thread, and honestly I much prefer allied armor because of the insane rate at which it can wipe squads, but maybe that's a problem with smaller axis squad sizes. But properly managed allied armor is extremely potent, except su85 that crap sucks.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 16:16 PMAustralian Magic

2.Point is Tiger or Panther are unflankable.

No one ever complains about Panther

3. Right know axis heavies wipe more often than allies

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 16:23 PMBrutusHR

Bulls*it

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 16:37 PMKronosaur0s

In conclusion, Nerf KT.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 16:16 PMAustralian Magic

2. No one is saying that Jackson is slow. From design it should be unit that flank so it must be fast. Point is Tiger or Panther are unflankable.
No one ever complains about Panther because of HP,huge armor,penetration, smoke and insane blitzkrieg ability.
3. Right know axis heavies wipe more often than allies or at least at the same level.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 16:40 PMAustralian Magic

Leave KT alone. Buff Jackson penetration and speed.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 17:14 PMThunderhun

I agree with Ciez, but the problem is the allied armor is limited...in terms of use. We have some broken ability/imbalances here and there.

Allies cannot utilise their armor as much as the axis due to the strong axis AT on the field (which can be only dominated by arty or/and spam --> not reliable in 1v1). This has a huge impact on late-game, but mostly the USF suffers from it because of their fragile tanks while the soviets can compensate this with call-in units (Is-2, 85s, marked target).

Ever tried to kill a Tiger (don't forget blitz) with M36s when it has double PAKs and vet 3 lmg gren support behind it?? Even P-47s do shit against it.

I'd go for fixing the call-ins first and fixing the axis AT so it wouldn't deny the allied armor usage.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 17:28 PMCieZ

Fun fact, double bar rifles at vet 3 completely dominate vet 3 lmg grens. Like you can actually have vet 3 lmg grens standing still in green cover, have the vet 3 double bar rifles cross open terrain, close in and they'll ultimately win. It's pretty silly... grens are so bad it's silly. Then again cons aren't much better overall. Vet 3 lmg paras.are actually the most batshit op infantry though, they can beat vet 5 obers with ease as long as obers.aren't in green cover.

And also....buffing jackson penetration and speed is literally the stupidest thing I've heard in a while. The only way you can buff penetration is if you nerf the damage to 160, which gets really complicated with regard to keeping time to kill roughly the same for jackson vs tigers, and destroys the defining characteristic of the Jackson in the first place. And do you honestly want the Jackson to be faster than the panther? Give me a break... just learn to properly micro the jackson, it's an absolutely incredible tank.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 12:17 PMAustralian Magic

...And here we come to bleeding problem where US Forec are bleeding all the time with vehicles while OKW does not...