The good thing about the shreck meta is it punishes allied medium call-in bullies like e8 and t-34/85 users.Use of these options has dramatically decreased when OKW is involved.Earlier allied players were used to bullying fuel starved OKW and lame ost pz 4s with these very cost efficient and all purpose medium call-ins and swarm the field,now they can't because they get swarmed in turn by volks horde.
The main reason behind volks horde is poor raketen.
A suggestion to fix Shrek Volk blobs
27 Dec 2014, 18:45 PM
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31 Dec 2014, 18:34 PM
#42
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how about making the schreck on the volksgrenadier squad have a higher chance at dropping
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
31 Dec 2014, 18:40 PM
#43
Posts: 219
Nerf obers and adjust their cost, remove shrecks from volks and give it to sturms but make it swapable for their standard weapons like the minesweeper is one (obviously you also won't be able to purchase both the minesweeper and shrecks) and give volks a 45 ammo upgrade for G43s.
And lastly, buff the raketen to acceptable levels.
And lastly, buff the raketen to acceptable levels.
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31 Dec 2014, 18:41 PM
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31 Dec 2014, 22:45 PM
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Well, at least I'm not the only one who thinks that the factions are just poorly designed.
OBW needs effective AT; but muni or fuel starving them (while giving MP overflow) and putting the only effective non-tank AT on Volks is just going to result in the inevitable.
1. Remove shreks from Volks, replace with Fausts (~35muni each).
2. Put shreks on Obers (1 for 60-75muni).
3. Put the OST's Pak on the T2 truck (thing needs a 4th unit, anyway).
4. Make the Raketten-thing not miss 95% of the time.
Now you don't have early-game shrek blobs that are unkillable by vehicles, but aren't instantly rolled by a fast vehicle either (due to raketten not sucking). They can continue to hold their own mid game due to PAK support, and powerful AT becomes available late-game to counter heavy vehicles.
It might also make the resource-swap ability not as bad, since low-fuel might be viable (not required to buy tanks late-game, since PAK would have range).
OBW needs effective AT; but muni or fuel starving them (while giving MP overflow) and putting the only effective non-tank AT on Volks is just going to result in the inevitable.
1. Remove shreks from Volks, replace with Fausts (~35muni each).
2. Put shreks on Obers (1 for 60-75muni).
3. Put the OST's Pak on the T2 truck (thing needs a 4th unit, anyway).
4. Make the Raketten-thing not miss 95% of the time.
Now you don't have early-game shrek blobs that are unkillable by vehicles, but aren't instantly rolled by a fast vehicle either (due to raketten not sucking). They can continue to hold their own mid game due to PAK support, and powerful AT becomes available late-game to counter heavy vehicles.
It might also make the resource-swap ability not as bad, since low-fuel might be viable (not required to buy tanks late-game, since PAK would have range).
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1 Jan 2015, 01:00 AM
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1. Remove shreks from Volks, replace with Fausts (~35muni each).
2. Put shreks on Obers (1 for 60-75muni).
3. Put the OST's Pak on the T2 truck (thing needs a 4th unit, anyway).
4. Make the Raketten-thing not miss 95% of the time.
1. Agreed for 25 MU each (OST fausts are also 25MU)
2. Wut? Shrecks on Obers? I think giving Sturms the shreck upgrade is probably the better solution. Obers really don't need amazing AI AND AT.
3. Why does the medic truck need a 4th unit? If OKW really needed a PaK, why not simply put it into the base building?
4. Yeah, the Raketenwerfer just needs some love. A PaK is not needed for OKW IMO.
1 Jan 2015, 18:27 PM
#47
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Raketen with its range and no cover is helpless when not in a building-even leaving aside aim time and accuracy ,even pak isn't THAT great anymore.
1 Jan 2015, 19:40 PM
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Permanently Bannedeven pak isn't THAT great anymore.
pak is best ATG
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
1 Jan 2015, 22:17 PM
#49
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pak is best ATG
Best AT Gun is an opinion. The Pak has 10 more Penetration, the ZiS has Barrage, the M1 has Rate of Fire, and the Raketen sucks. 10 higher isn't much, you can get 8 higher with those "AT Gun has 4% increased Penetration" bulletins, which lowers it to less than a 1% difference.
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1 Jan 2015, 22:55 PM
#50
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1. Remove shreks from Volks, replace with Fausts (~35muni each).
2. Put shreks on Obers (1 for 60-75muni).
3. Put the OST's Pak on the T2 truck (thing needs a 4th unit, anyway).
4. Make the Raketten-thing not miss 95% of the time.
This.
1. Agreed for 25 MU each (OST fausts are also 25MU)
2. Wut? Shrecks on Obers? I think giving Sturms the shreck upgrade is probably the better solution. Obers really don't need amazing AI AND AT.
3. Why does the medic truck need a 4th unit? If OKW really needed a PaK, why not simply put it into the base building?
4. Yeah, the Raketenwerfer just needs some love. A PaK is not needed for OKW IMO.
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1 Jan 2015, 23:40 PM
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Best AT Gun is an opinion. The Pak has 10 more Penetration, the ZiS has Barrage, the M1 has Rate of Fire, and the Raketen sucks. 10 higher isn't much, you can get 8 higher with those "AT Gun has 4% increased Penetration" bulletins, which lowers it to less than a 1% difference.
pak almost always penetrates
players dont build zis for the barrage
both pak 40 and 43 are best ATG'S IN GAME. no way around it
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
2 Jan 2015, 00:23 AM
#52
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pak almost always penetrates
A captured Pak against a Tiger and a ZiS against a Tiger are nearly identical, a 66.67% chance to pen at mid range vs a 63.33% chance. Combined with the RNG element and low rate-of-fire of heavy guns, they're virtually identical in terms of Penetration.
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2 Jan 2015, 00:26 AM
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Spanky : Okw need many manpower compared to usf. Why ? Because when sherman or shermans hit the field, panther is not here ... for counter sherman you need ofc volks + schrek and it's bleed you a lot of manpower ... when usf just troll you with sherman, retreat, repair, troll, retreat, repair with 0 manpower cost LeL Kappa
And obers cost 50mp per guy ...
And obers cost 50mp per guy ...
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2 Jan 2015, 01:02 AM
#54
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A captured Pak against a Tiger and a ZiS against a Tiger are nearly identical, a 66.67% chance to pen at mid range vs a 63.33% chance. Combined with the RNG element and low rate-of-fire of heavy guns, they're virtually identical in terms of Penetration.
and a captured zis works just fine against the lighter armour of allied tanks.
the 10 pen difference is insignificant. the pak is technically the better AT gun (due to rate of fire) but the zis has a lot more utility. i think they're about the same over all but with different strengths
2 Jan 2015, 03:52 AM
#55
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Actually zis is now better than pak.Pen and reload difference are more or less insignificant.
Much more survivability due to 6 men,can smash bunkers and mgs from fog of war,and cause squadwipes against a blob as well.Zis outperforms pak right now quite well.
Much more survivability due to 6 men,can smash bunkers and mgs from fog of war,and cause squadwipes against a blob as well.Zis outperforms pak right now quite well.
2 Jan 2015, 08:14 AM
#56
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Actually zis is now better than pak.Pen and reload difference are more or less insignificant.
Much more survivability due to 6 men,can smash bunkers and mgs from fog of war,and cause squadwipes against a blob as well.Zis outperforms pak right now quite well.
You clearly haven't faced a bunker in your life.
The direct fire from the ZiS and PaK is vastly superior to barraging a bunker.
As for the barrage, people seem to fixate on it, but its inaccurate and costs 60 munis, it's not a particularly good buy...
2 Jan 2015, 08:35 AM
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I agree with that, it could use a cost decrease. Barrage is only useful against a group of idle infantry or a building with a machine gun inside.
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2 Jan 2015, 09:03 AM
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nah, it's useful. it's almost identical to the mortar barrage but it has a better aoe profile. it's very useful against suppressed enemies and buildings. the direct fire is better against bunkers due to their small size though.
2 Jan 2015, 09:14 AM
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It might be identical to the mortar barrage, but it still costs 60, you're basically throwing away an MG-42 (or a flamethrower) everytime you fire it for something of questionable accuracy which is easy to walk away from and hasn't got the greatest range.
Something I would be interested in is it being a one time upgrade in the Support Weapon Kompanieya building for like 120 munis or something which gives your field guns unlimited free barrages, but with a hefty cooldown (SU-76M cooldown length). This would make more sense, make it more useful, be way more historically accurate and actually make the idea of Soviet AT guns being gimped because of the barrage actually make sense (rather than currently where it's utter crap but a card for the German fanboys to make sure their precious AT advantages remain the same...)
Something I would be interested in is it being a one time upgrade in the Support Weapon Kompanieya building for like 120 munis or something which gives your field guns unlimited free barrages, but with a hefty cooldown (SU-76M cooldown length). This would make more sense, make it more useful, be way more historically accurate and actually make the idea of Soviet AT guns being gimped because of the barrage actually make sense (rather than currently where it's utter crap but a card for the German fanboys to make sure their precious AT advantages remain the same...)
2 Jan 2015, 09:20 AM
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I find Zis Barage extremely useful when dealing with infantry blobs, keeping them at bay.
Sure if you expect to wipe squads out it won't do that, but if you barage hole in your weak flank thats about to be breached (as in where the inf. has to come through) It will inflict some damage and kill few models. Enough to save you
Well spent 60 muni IMHO
Sure if you expect to wipe squads out it won't do that, but if you barage hole in your weak flank thats about to be breached (as in where the inf. has to come through) It will inflict some damage and kill few models. Enough to save you
Well spent 60 muni IMHO
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