A suggestion to fix Shrek Volk blobs

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2014, 12:06 PMWhySooSerious

if you're JP4 is missing alot then your RNG luck sucks like helpinghan's used to be. (ex. his p4 would never penetrate low health t34s and his shrecks would fail to hit a majority of the time.) What do you mean by heavy soviet units? is2? you shouldn't expect the jp4 to penetrate the is2 anyway, its like throwing a pak at a KT and thinking it will penetrate. the is2 has 375 armor and the KT has 400 armor. The JP4 has the same penetration as Jackson.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2014, 14:56 PMWingZero

Overhaul of OKW is high unlikely, but yea MP40s for Volks sounds great idea!

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2014, 08:31 AMCocaine Accessories

Usually when I deal with shreck blobs it usually is a point and click where the opponent can deal with any tank either light or heavy.

I feel that the shreck upgrade for volks is made to deal with light-medium armor earlier on in the game but it has also translated into dealing with heavy tanks.

My suggestion is to replace the shreck with the anti tank rifle (Panzerbüchse) that the Germans have in the campaign missions and theater of war missions.

This would allow for the light-medium counter that OKW needs but doesn't supersede its ability to deal with heavy tanks.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 22:07 PMJinseual

Replacing Panzershrecks with anti tank rifles is a horrible idea. If you want Panzershrecks to be only effective against medium tanks and not effective against Heavy tanks, well it's already like that in CoH2. A Panzershreck has 180 to 160 penetration while the Soviet Heavy armor like IS2, KV1, and ISU152 has around 340 armor. That's only a 50 percent chance of penetrating.

The Panzershrecks only inflict 120 damage and all Heavy Soviet tanks have over 800 hp so it would take multiple panzershreck shots to kill one Heavy tanks so in order to kill a heavy tank quickly that would require a huge blob of Panzershreck infantry which is risky because any Soviet Heavy Tank is able to blow up multiple squads at once.

What you want is already done in the game, yet, somehow you failed to realize this. Perhaps you should use your heavy tanks properly.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 22:14 PMWhat Doth Life?!

Those blobs are supported by Panthers and King Tigers though.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 22:07 PMJinseual

Replacing Panzershrecks with anti tank rifles is a horrible idea. If you want Panzershrecks to be only effective against medium tanks and not effective against Heavy tanks, well it's already like that in CoH2. A Panzershreck has 180 to 160 penetration while the Soviet Heavy armor like IS2, KV1, and ISU152 has around 340 armor. That's only a 50 percent chance of penetrating.

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Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2014, 22:07 PMJinseual

Replacing Panzershrecks with anti tank rifles is a horrible idea. If you want Panzershrecks to be only effective against medium tanks and not effective against Heavy tanks, well it's already like that in CoH2. A Panzershreck has 180 to 160 penetration while the Soviet Heavy armor like IS2, KV1, and ISU152 has around 340 armor. That's only a 50 percent chance of penetrating.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2014, 05:30 AMpigsoup

50%? no prob. panthers and paks don't have much higher pen rate against soviet heavies and they work fine against the heavies.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2014, 06:09 AMNinjaWJ

i disagree with your statement because schrecks basically pen anything that's not a soviet heavy (is2, ISU). THose tanks are doctrinal too! Basically all your nondoctrinal stuff for USF and SOviet are countered very well by the panzerschreck. It sees silly that that only an expensive doctrinal tank can reliably survive panzerschreck shots.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2014, 06:26 AMJinseual

If you think that's a problem than that's your opinion. However, I was responding to the posters opinion. He believes that it's ok for Panzershrecks to perform well against medium tanks, but it shouldn't perform well against Heavy tanks. I looked at the stats and told that I found the current situation in CoH2 is exactly that.

I don't see a problem with doctrinal heavy tanks because what really matters is whether or not you are able to get Heavy tanks. On the field, it doesn't make much of a difference as long as their is a heavy tank.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2014, 06:15 AMJinseual

Was that sarcasm or just nonsense?

How bout we look at it in a different way, since a Panzershreck only rarely penetrate Soviet armor, that means the Panther and PAK gun can't reliably penetrate the Soviet Heavies.

We're looking at it in a different perspective yet nothing has changed. What's the point of bringing other weapons up? 50 percent is 50 percent that means it will penetrate half the time, bringing up other weapons doesn't disprove my point. If you think Panthers reliably penetrate the IS2 than good for you, however, the Panther rounds can still bounce of Soviet Heavies so what have we learned from what you just posted? Nothing! The Panther also have a much higher chance to penetrate the Soviet Heavies than the Panzershreck at around 65 percent. The Panther's penetration has nothing to do with the Panzershrecks penetration.