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Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2014, 19:44 PMJaigen

Wrong on both accounts. Volks benefit the least from veterancy. they start with shitty kars and end with slightly less shitty kars. Fusiliers start with some of the best kars in the game and end with g43 and the highest long rang dps output of any rifle/ carbines (with only lmg;s can surpass them) in the game and remember death enemies do zero damage thats better then just being a punching bag like vet 5 volks.

And yes i agree that volks vet easily but only vet 5 is of relevance and you cannot proclaim that a vet 5 volks is a certainty. thats BS

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2014, 18:48 PMJinseual

Problems :

All MGs have some problem suppressing any unit in yellow cover, suppression needs to be fixed.

MG42 doesn't do enough damage.

Soviet and American vehicles come to early, Whermacht does not get an AT gun or Panzershreck fast enough. BAAAAAD. The early game would be so much more fun if it was infantry only and no god damn vehicles. Remember that Scout car used to be a problem and then everyone complains about kubels? Relic just still doesn't get it.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2014, 20:19 PMOZtheWiZARD

Are you kidding me?

Volksgrenadier:

-10% received accuracy
+30% accuracy -20% weapon cooldown
-10% received accuracy Healing when out of combat
+40% sight range +30% accuracy
-29% received accuracy

almost 50% less dmg intake, 40% sight range, 60% accuracy, 20% weapon cooldown + heal out of combat.

They will never be as effective as Obers (and I have never claimed that), or other more specialized OKW infantry, but bonuses they're getting from Vet are insane. Now look at the price and reinforcement cost. Please compare that to Rifles, Grens or Cons.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2014, 21:26 PMOZtheWiZARD

I'd recommend you to see how it is on the other side. Play USF, try it for yourself.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2014, 22:27 PMmaskedmonkey2

The trick with gren v rifleman engagements is to take them at range.

At a range of 24 to 34 vanilla grens outdamage rifleman squads.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2014, 19:46 PMBurts

This thread is turning out to be quite interesting

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2014, 21:28 PMJaigen

I know the stats mate i also that 60 % extra on low dps is still low dps. they are meatshields but meatshields do not win you the game.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2014, 00:12 AMelchino7

Vet3 Gren: 29.14/14.62/11.02
Vet4 Volks (no shrecks): 27.68/14.15/10.31

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2014, 22:27 PMmaskedmonkey2

The trick with gren v rifleman engagements is to take them at range.

At a range of 24 to 34 vanilla grens outdamage rifleman squads.

Also, just to mention that lmg42 outdamages m1919 at all ranges. Though they are very close.

And finally, to those claiming the mg42 doesn't do enough damage, try incendiary rounds.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2014, 23:47 PMMr. Someguy

It's a good thing Riflemen can't walk, or Grens would be in trouble.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2014, 00:43 AMJaigen

outdps but not out hp the grens. also i looked on the stats American lmg's does more damage then the lmg42 upgrade

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2014, 01:37 AMmaskedmonkey2

I didn't realize that micro was a task reserved for allies only.



I must be looking at the wrong stats. M1919 vs mg42