IS anyone sick of "weapons lethality"?

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2014, 02:37 AMHS King

Im putting it out there, infantry dies way too quickly. I would say 20-30% less damage to all small arms fire and maybe 45-50% to obers.

Right now its plain ridiculous - infantry cant move for one second without taking losses. How are you meant to maneuver your men?

This is especially bad for ostheer as they only have 4 man squads, and none of them have armour to soak up any damage.

I would recommend different squad/ and individual infantry health and addition of armour to most infantry types - or a simpler but worse fix of reducing small arms damage.

The reason this did not work in the early stages of the game was the terrible idea of giving each unit a secondary fire ability that basically killed most of a squad in one second with no downside.. I feel this has been addressed a little bit.

Edit: all flamers to do less damage and drastically reduce the chance of insta kill crits

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2014, 03:11 AMJ1N6666

Right now I feel infantry combat is too RNG favored, Anne frankly, i dont think its the lethality thats the problem, but more of the current infantry combat system at fault.

Why is it RNG favored?
Because its always whichever squad can get the lucky 1st volley that has the advantage. Ever had a gren take a nasty volley and drop to 3 men instantly? Thats what I mean. There's no skill involved, just RNG.

I feel like if rates of fire were to increase and overall accuracy decreased, we would get more consistent performance for more troops across the board. This would also be an indirect buffage to the COVER SYSTEM as more consistency = longer engagements (also a small side help to the blobbing issue due to less burst).

Lol but knowing relic, not gonna happen.

P.S. Does anyone else feel rifle weapons should perform better at long range than short? Personally, I think most of the rifle profiles should be reworked, especially fire on the move

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2014, 04:41 AMWiFiDi

because when at war the humane thing to do is shoot rubber bullets at eachother.

i really only have an issue with the things that deal splash damage not how fast units die to regular fire just how many at a time. (aka squadwipes)

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2014, 04:20 AMBabaRoga

Just no. Your units should die, its war. Mistakes should be punished and good work rewarded.

I for one don't want to go back to time where one could get flanked, make mistake and just press 'R' with almost no consequence or none at all

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2014, 04:20 AMBabaRoga

Just no. Your units should die, its war. Mistakes should be punished and good work rewarded.

I for one don't want to go back to time where one could get flanked, make mistake and just press 'R' with almost no consequence or none at all

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2014, 07:20 AMHS King

You see in the good old days when you just pressed R there were consequences. You lost map control, you struggled to get it back, you lost pop cap and you slowed down tech.

None of that matters in COH2 - but its still better to have infantry battles that progress in a more linear fashion than an on/off switch live or die. In my opinion that is

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2014, 06:32 AMNinjaWJ

during late game, infantry die either too fast or they don't die at all (vet 5 volks)

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2014, 07:20 AMHS King

You see in the good old days when you just pressed R there were consequences. You lost map control, you struggled to get it back, you lost pop cap and you slowed down tech.

None of that matters in COH2 - but its still better to have infantry battles that progress in a more linear fashion than an on/off switch live or die. In my opinion that is

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2014, 09:09 AMBabaRoga

I think you are talking about VCOH. I am talking about early days of COH2 when it took 5 minutes to de-crew HMG. And you could have 2 sips of coffee before retreating without losing single model.

BTW, in COH units died quite quickly too but there was far less squad wipes from mortars, tanks, etc. And all these medium ranged rocket launchers (Zis etc) do a lot of squad wipes that didn't exist in COH, pretty much.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think your problem might be there. Not infantry wiping infantry late game.

Thats what I really dislike about infantry survaivability.