Fixes for the game's worst abilities.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2014, 23:32 PMelchino7

Trenches: what's wrong with them? They are free so...

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2014, 23:32 PMelchino7

Dodge: yeah, a bit underwhelming. 15fuel could work.
M5: it just needs to arrive at 2CP

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2014, 00:01 AMMr. Someguy

They're countered by pretty much everything. Any tank kills them in seconds, and grenade kills everyone inside. They suck because troops are worse off inside them than if you just sat them in the open.

The Dodge and M5 are in the same class, how can the Dodge be underwhelming and the M5 be worth 2CP?

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2014, 23:32 PMelchino7

Most of the abilities made passive are overkill.

Vehicle detection: make it 3CP passive for cons.

Fear propaganda: it's on a fine state

Rapid conscriptions: your suggestions are just over. The ability needs some tweaks but not what you suggest.
Relief Infantry: similar

Trenches: what's wrong with them? They are free so...

Con repair: fine

Dodge: yeah, a bit underwhelming. 15fuel could work.

M5: it just needs to arrive at 2CP

Railway: 160 at minimum if you want a copy paste of a Stuka dive bomb. I'll just say that maybe add a shell and increase a bit more the spread after the first shell.

Riegel: remember that it's 100% to inmobilize. Just like the M20 mine.

Command Panzer: buff units and it's a good at AI. It's fine.

Ambush camo: passive it's too strong.


You don't go full YOLO when you suggest balance changes.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2014, 06:05 AMpigsoup

Isn't he talking about soviet ability? And i dont think two p4s are useless. It gives okw, a faction that lacks all rounded medium tanks, medium tanks

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2014, 04:11 AMSparks

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Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2014, 23:32 PMelchino7

Dodge: yeah, a bit underwhelming. 15fuel could work.

M3: it just needs to arrive at 2CP

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2014, 06:27 AMelchino7

I've also being playing since beta and i've made threads regardings the same things. But it seems you don't realize how balance should work. You don't flip over how an ability works just because it's underpower because you then'll have to make nerf it again (Katyushka patch).

If you make an ability that cost munition passive, that's a massive buff. You don't make unuseful commanders attractive by giving them OP things. I'll start again and giving further explanation.

Vehicle detection: make it 3CP passive for cons USF army has forward observers ability on it's rifles on the Recon support company. So that's why i think it wouldn't be bad as a passive ability for cons.

Trenches: what's wrong with them? They are free so... I'm not 100% but they have better bonuses that buildings. It's multidirectional green cover which is not affected by distance.

Con repair: fine
Advance Warfare tactics. Con spam into T34-76 into 85s. You have plenty of repair guys. All of what you suggest fit more on the defensive commanders. Similar to the point before.
So you don't improve this ability rather than the community defensive commanders.

Riegel: remember that it's 100% to inmobilize. Just like the M20 mine.
They are only effective against Soviets, because USF can always 1s crit repair it. AND the teller is more accesible and deals more damage.
Who the hell uses Storm and Jaeger Armor is more meant to counter ISU152, so you won't see an ISU152 charging into your Tellers/Riegels. If you just gave it to Pio, it would simply replace the Teller. At most you could give it to the Scoutcar.

Rapid conscriptions: your suggestions are just over. The ability needs some tweaks but not what you suggest.
Relief Infantry: similar

Your other options were:
-reduce muni cost to 45 and 30 muni. Lol. Be realistic.
-Instantly give squads (mp) for 120/90muni with the possibility of extra squads. 480mp+240*X or 400mp+200*Y If that would be the case, the cost of the abilities would rise.

Thing is, it's just stupid that we have commanders which are practically the same but theres one which is clearly supperior. The overlapping of abilities is insane.

NKVD: needs the commisar, You could receive Penals instead of Cons.
Reserve: needs useful Irregulars. Irregulars should count towards units lost and maybe replace with Irregulars.
Con support: MAYBE this would be the only one that should be passive but with a higher count, at a higher CP level AND crappy cons like in the campaign. No abilities, just merge, molotov, hoorah. Meatshield for the lines.

Relief: make it so Osstruppen counts towards unit lost. You might reduce the cost but not as much as what you said. OR make it secure value. Once you pay for the ability, you'll receive 2 squads of Osstruppen after the death quota has been achieved. The death quota should be just 1 more squad than now, since it's secured value.
German Infantry: replace bombing strike/light arty with G43/Fuel to munition.

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2014, 21:23 PMAustralian Magic

The best ability in game is the one that gives Thompsons to vehicle crew. It's just insane

I wonder what they were smoking when they created this ability

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2014, 13:02 PMUnshavenbackman

I would watch if someone made a stream playing with the "games worst abilities". Testing if these abilities are as bad as we think. I enjoy Lennys stream as he tends to play ouf of the box.