Fury Movie! Tiger vs Sherman

Some of the Jagdtigers had very good Crews even in the end of the war.
Jagdtiger Combat history:










http://www.panzerworld.com/jagdtiger

Didn't mean to say all German tank crews in 1945 were relatively poorly trained and unexperienced, just that it was more common at that point.

Kinda retarded a single tiger being all alone there.
Irl it would have infantry and pak support.

Not Really. In 1945 there were several lonely tigers fighting without Support against the advancing allied Forces inside Germany.

I even know some real Storys about that:

On 11th April 1945 a lonely Tiger tank commanded by "Paul Schulze" on the area in Achum faced with Sherman tanks from the US 5th Armored Division. During the confrontations Schulzes Tiger destroyed 4 US Sherman "easy 8" tanks, 1 armored car and 1 armored carrier. The last few US soldiers from the collumn surrendered to the Tiger and Schulze released 200 German POWs. On 13th April his Tiger were running out of fuel and were destroyed by there own Crew at Barsinghausen.

On 7th April 1945 a lonely King Tiger from the "schwere Panzerabteilung 507" teamed up with a Jagdpanther on the east bank of the weser river. On that day they were confronted by a US tank Collumn. Both tanks opened fire on the Enemy and after they had destroyed 17 Sherman tanks together the americans finally managed to hit and destroy the Jagdpanther. After that the King Tiger retreated and left the battlefield.

These Storys are from the book "Tigers in Combat" by Wolfgang Schneider.

In 1945 many US and british Forces had to face several lonely Tiger tanks inside Germany and often took heavy losses. Not only the newer King Tigers but sometimes also even the older Tiger Is.

Show me american war movie that isn't.

These things are entertainment, not historical reconstructions.

Don't really know why you all are getting so worked up over it.

On the imdb Review site:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2713180/reviews?filter=chrono

Many People give "fury" 10/10 stars and praising it for its "realism". Many People there say its the "most realistic WW2 movie" ever.......

Sounds like I won't be missing out on much by not seeing the movie. I don't know why it's so hard for Americans(Or humans in general) to make a semi-realistic war movie that doesn't fall into the cliche that one side are god-like beings that fight solely for justice, while the other side are barbarian savages that represents everything vile and inhuman. The closest movie that's ever achieved this is Letters from Iwo Jima where surprisingly most Japanese soldiers aren't portrayed as barbarians and cannon fodder.

The last scene of this movie sounds like something out of a comic book as well so hopefully it'll show up on Youtube later so I can get a good laugh from it.

Anyways, the scene is a pretty good representation of Sherman crews encountering Tigre tanks. A lot of the time, it took at least 5 US tanks to take out one German tank and sometimes even more. There's historical accounts of Tigers taking out entire US armoured divisions, or destroying at least 15 tanks before they were taken out.

German steel and engineering was the best in the World at that time, so this scene with the Shermans is fairly good in my opinion.

Sounds like I won't be missing out on much by not seeing the movie. I don't know why it's so hard for Americans(Or humans in general) to make a semi-realistic war movie that doesn't fall into the cliche that one side are god-like beings that fight solely for justice, while the other side are barbarian savages that represents everything vile and inhuman. The closest movie that's ever achieved this is Letters from Iwo Jima where surprisingly most Japanese soldiers aren't portrayed as barbarians and cannon fodder.

The last scene of this movie sounds like something out of a comic book as well so hopefully it'll show up on Youtube later so I can get a good laugh from it.

Anyways, the scene is a pretty good representation of Sherman crews encountering Tigre tanks. A lot of the time, it took at least 5 US tanks to take out one German tank and sometimes even more. There's historical accounts of Tigers taking out entire US armoured divisions, or destroying at least 15 tanks before they were taken out.

German steel and engineering was the best in the World at that time, so this scene with the Shermans is fairly good in my opinion.

That's why they won the war right?

You're wrong about the Tiger scene though, because an Easy 8 with its 76mm could have punched through that Tiger's front at the range they first encountered it.

Sorry, but the shitty box design of the P4 and Tiger were outdated shortly after the war started. Please put away Mein Kampf and come back to reality.

On the imdb Review site:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2713180/reviews?filter=chrono

Many People give "fury" 10/10 stars and praising it for its "realism". Many People there say its the "most realistic WW2 movie" ever.......

I'm pretty sure that's because of how brutal it is. And also the Tiger scene was relatively realistic in that only 1 of the Shermans survives the engagement and basically wins because it was lucky and had an experienced crew. The last scene was really stupid though, but it shows how shitty war is pretty well.

The movie was far from realistic regarding the last scene where a single Sherman takes out the entire German Army, if that was actually the ending scene. I haven't seen the movie myself, but I definitely don't want to pay money for it if it's nothing more than a "Fuck yeah, Murica!" film that would bring any patriotic American into tears.


@ Arclyte

German steel and engineering was simply better than anything the Americans put out. Why do you think the US had to send wave after wave of tanks to take out German tanks(Who had inferior numbers)? It's because the Germans had superior weapons and technology.

That's why they won the war right?

You're wrong about the Tiger scene though, because an Easy 8 with its 76mm could have punched through that Tiger's front at the range they first encountered it.

Sorry, but the shitty box design of the P4 and Tiger were outdated shortly after the war started. Please put away Mein Kampf and come back to reality.

Not sure why you imply REforever would be a Nazi, but i'm pretty sure that fancy tanks won't automatically win you a war.

Kinda curious where you got your information from. A 76mm M1 couldn't penetrate a Tiger front properly, especially not at 800(?) yards. Good, but rare, HVAP were mostly used for designated TDs.


Anyways...
Even though i would have liked to see a more large scale Sherman vs. Tiger scene, with less errors and common sense mistakes, it definitely was at least enjoyable and nicely made, unlike the final scene - i can only assume they were drunk or something.

That final scene was just absurd. It's been more then 70 years now, there is no need to portray German soldiers as idiotic puppets who march to their doom singing and missing anything that they face on the battlefield.

The final scene could have made Team America if it wanted, MERICAAA FUCK YEAHHHH

Why those SS badasses werent helping the Tiger Kappa

That final scene was just absurd. It's been more then 70 years now, there is no need to portray German soldiers as idiotic puppets who march to their doom singing and missing anything that they face on the battlefield.

The final scene could have made Team America if it wanted, MERICAAA FUCK YEAHHHH

Absolutely true.

What i was mostly wondering about: why the hell would they all stay in the one stationary tank, instead of spreading out a bit? And why would they wait till the enemy gets super close, just to throw some grenades out of the hatches - wtf?

The whole ending kinda ruined an otherwise decent movie.

Kinda curious where you got your information from. A 76mm M1 couldn't penetrate a Tiger front properly, especially not at 800(?) yards. Good, but rare, HVAP were mostly used for designated TDs.

The movie was far from realistic regarding the last scene where a single Sherman takes out the entire German Army, if that was actually the ending scene. I haven't seen the movie myself, but I definitely don't want to pay money for it if it's nothing more than a "Fuck yeah, Murica!" film that would bring any patriotic American into tears.


@ Arclyte

German steel and engineering was simply better than anything the Americans put out. Why do you think the US had to send wave after wave of tanks to take out German tanks(Who had inferior numbers)? It's because the Germans had superior weapons and technology.

You are a fool to believe that. As reported by the US Army Ballistics Research Laboratory in 1954 the typical engagement of the 3rd and 4th armored against German tanks was 9 to 4. That's not even close to 5:1. With regards to engagements between shermans and panthers shermans were on the defense 19 times compared to the 5 times they were on the offense. I shouldn't have to explain why a sherman on the defense is a much more dangerous threat than one on the offense (hint: 40mm of unsloped armor offers no protection to 3" guns).

This is the real power of having more tanks than your enemies, not this 5:1 nonsense (and never in the war did the US have enough shermans for that to be a winning prospect). When you have to hoard tanks like precious metals for decisive offensives while your enemy can give every single infantry division their own battalion of tanks, it doesn't matter what your frontal armor is. You're going to be ambushed at every opportunity and almost always from the sides or rear.


As for the differences between German and American steel, it's as much about American designers attempting to protect the men inside from spalling rather than keeping the tank intact as anything else.

And why would they wait till the enemy gets super close, just to throw some grenades out of the hatches - wtf?

That is literally what they did.

ITT: Axis circle jerk.

That's a rather optimistic graph

http://books.google.de/books?id=lQoWAAAAQBAJ&lpg=PA12&ots=oV8IDsX0sr&dq=sherman%2076mm%20penetration%20vs%20tiger&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q=sherman%2076mm%20penetration%20vs%20tiger&f=false

http://books.google.de/books?id=SOTDzoncMroC&lpg=PA118&ots=xfJ31-27GH&dq=sherman%2076mm%20penetration%20tiger&pg=PA118#v=onepage&q=sherman%2076mm%20penetration%20tiger&f=false

... and so on.

Majority of all sources pretty much sum it up in a rather similar way: "get behind it, or don't even try".

Ahh, the classic anecdote to refute data!

I thought this was one of the more realistic scenes in the movie. The shermans tried to use their superior speed to out maneuver the tiger. The tiger made a mistake, (and seeing that this is late wwar and the crews of axis tanks are no longer veterans) it makes total sense. The tiger crew was probably panicking to try and hit the sherman, as a result you have the ricochets. The smoking of the Tiger was an awesome move. And did anyone else cream a little bit when the sounds of the shells were whizzing by?? Thats prob my fav part of the movie, the sounds were awesome!!!

Anyway the ending ruined what was a pretty damn good movie to me.

the second source says that the 76mm gun could penetrate a tiger frontally at 1600 yards when using HVAP ammo so I think "get behind it or don't even try" is a bit of an exaggeration.

the second source says that the 76mm gun could penetrate a tiger frontally at 1600 yards when using HVAP ammo so I think "get behind it or don't even try" is a bit of an exaggeration.

As i said earlier: Good, but rare, HVAP were mostly used for designated TDs.
Besides Fury being around for quite some time, so rather unlikely they got any (if they ever had).

Tristan summed it up nicely.

Absolutely true.

What i was mostly wondering about: why the hell would they all stay in the one stationary tank, instead of spreading out a bit? And why would they wait till the enemy gets super close, just to throw some grenades out of the hatches - wtf?

The whole ending kinda ruined an otherwise decent movie.

Yeah the whole ending isn't needed in films of this caliber anymore. We have had the time where America had to establish its legacy, now it must face the pending doom of bankruptcy