Hypothetical

Yes.

ISU because squad wiping isn't in the Jagd's book of capabilities, and the AT-Power of that thing is excruciating (meant i a "positive" way)

depends on the faction, since there are some factions that have or lack specific things. however, every faction would benefit from having an ISU152. Additionally, the level of benefit for each faction having a Jagdtiger would be different.

Ostheer wouldn't benefit much because they have the Elefant, which is somewhat comparable. USF would benefit greatly because it has some decenet AI options like Riflemen, HE Sherman, etc, so the addition of the Jagdtiger would be great for them. It could snipe and tank shots while Shermans and Jacksons flank. If the USSR got a hold of the Jagdtiger, it would make a pretty significant impact as well. It would work well with shock troops and T34 tanks

Can't win the game without infantry. ISU-152.

ISU any time.

Well right now the Jagdtiger is just a slower Elefant that gets stunned on every hit. ISU can do AT almost as good and still wipe squads, just not at the same time anymore.

Even if it was Elefant vs ISU, I think I'd still pick ISU, because the Elefant has awful accuracy at long range.

Jadgtiger any day.

It seems that you forget one main thing about CoH2. Paper-rock-scissors rule.

Infantry < ISU < Jadgtiger.

You have awesome AI unit and very good AT unit. OK, good for you but Jadgtiger completly denys your AI abilities. Because of range it's pushing back your ISU all the time.
The point is, even if you have ISU it wont do anything because it will be punished by Jadgtiger.

Of course, in games like ISU vs PzIV, Panthers, KT - ISU is better option.
But if we are talking about army with ISU vs army with Jadgtiger, I would go for second army. Your ISU will be useless if there will be JT on the field.

Even if it was Elefant vs ISU, I think I'd still pick ISU, because the Elefant has awful accuracy at long range.

I cant agree with you. Just today, I had 4v4 on Rostov. We were closed down due to huge crew weapons suads. Then 2x IS2, 2x ISU, 4x t34/85 vs 2 Panthers, Pak40 and 1 panzergren schrecks. We wanted to give up but we decided to wait for my Elephant.

And it was crucial moment. One Elephant with support was able to push back all their units. It ended with 30k dmg and from 99 - 450 VP we went to 99 - 0.
So if You asked me, Elephant is awesome and I almost always go for it.

Elefant isn't bad, it just has less than a 55% chance to hit against any allied medium tanks at range, which on a bad roll could easily be 3-4 shots without a hit.

imo the poll is trying to suggest which unit is OP/more op... i don't think the poll is structured very well....it's kind of leading

imo the poll is trying to suggest which unit is OP/more op... i don't think the poll is structured very well....it's kind of leading

Illuminati

It's a pretty simple question, not sure what you are talking about. How else would you structure it?

Illuminati

It's a pretty simple question, not sure what you are talking about. How else would you structure it?

Perhaps i am over-thinking it


but considering all factions are different, would a player want a specific AT unit, or a good generalist unit... i think the answer is easy

I voted for the less annoying option.. i thought i was supposed to lol.

So i voted for the Jad. Its called Jagd btw. Seems like some people cant remember that, just like KübelwagEn. And not KübelwagOn. ITS KÜBELWAGEN.
ffs

for increased clarity i changed jad to jagdtiger almost to jagd but decided just go all out.

Perhaps i am over-thinking it


but considering all factions are different, would a player want a specific AT unit, or a good generalist unit... i think the answer is easy

I want specific AT unit. I prefer specialist instead of generalist. Do I get something for being unique?

for increased clarity i changed jad to jagdtiger almost to jagd but decided just go all out.

The g is silent. Kidding, thank you for clarifying.

I thought this would be a better way to pose the question and hopefully eliminate some fanboy-ism/factionism.

imo the poll is trying to suggest which unit is OP/more op... i don't think the poll is structured very well....it's kind of leading

Exactly, this poll is a trap to nerf... it's lack total consideration of the meta.

ISU-152 capabilities are designed in line of what Soviet abilities are. The same goes for the Jagdtiger.

The balance is rather good, nearly good enough to have fun in 3vs3 or 4vs4 with Allies.

The missing fun :

1)The US need :
* A light mortar in Lieutenant barracks. (To increase build variety)
* More defense for the AT-gun. (To increase build reliability)

2)The Soviets need :
* Greater love in tier 4 : The SU-76/85 are so lame that nobody use them now.
Add 10% to rotation speed, 10% to the speed and 5% to the acceleration to both vehicles.

The Soviet IS2 is rather bad for it's cost and can't «lock fire on vehicles only».
* Spread it's vet bonus so it become better stock, but don't become stronger when vet 3.
* Add the «lock fire on vehicles only» to it's command's panel.

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Why did this become a buff of anything thread?

I voted for the less annoying option.. i thought i was supposed to lol.

So i voted for the Jad. Its called Jagd btw. Seems like some people cant remember that, just like KübelwagEn. And not KübelwagOn. ITS KÜBELWAGEN.
ffs

This was actually a post to prove that the Kubelwagen can get brought up in any convo, any topic.

Why did this become a buff of anything thread?

Because, we are trying to make the balance in 3vs3 or 4vs4 so even that we would also want to play the Axis side without any guilty feelings about crushing the Allies the way the are now or having long to wait time in automatches queue.

Use your brain, i'm sure you got a good one.

Thanks.

Because, we are trying to make the balance in 3vs3 or 4vs4 so even that we would also want to play the Axis side without any guilty feelings about crushing the Allies the way the are now or having long to wait time in automatches queue.

Use your brain, i'm sure you got a good one.

Thanks.

Seems like a good way to get your point across.