Please, tell me how Soviets should counter JT if they go for ml20,partisans or anything without call ins or b4?
This is coh2, you use doctrinal counters.
I dont see problem if KT has 60%. If marked, how the hell he hit you? Unless they marked you and you were standing in one place.
60sec byt very slow rotation.
In teamgames its your fault that you dont have Stuka.
Well, mostly Jagdtigers are lost to combined arms pushes of infantry and medium armor, although of course doctrinal counters like the T34/85s, Mark Target, Button, the P47 strafe run etc. are the most effective ways to get rid of it. In contrast to the ISU152, the Jagdtiger is harmless against infantry, so hitting it with an anti-tank grenade will further aid the medium tanks rushing it.
Look, nobody claims taking out the Jagdtiger before it has too much of an impact is an easy thing, but it is at least a quite possible one.
With the B4, I often don'T feel that's the case. You say it is okay if one needs doctrional counters for a unit, yet the OKW does not even have those doctrinal counters in the repertoire of their three base commanders. This leaves moving your units up to directly engage it as the only option, which more often than not simply will not be possible.
Even if he OKW player builds a Stuka zu Fuss - which means he/she is delaying the arrival of his/her tanks by quite a bit given the OKW's fuel income rate - he/she'll most likely have to go further behind enemy lines than someone taking out a Jagdtiger - and with a defenseless unit, not a medium tank.
I also think the B4s damage potential cannot be compared to that of the ISU152 and Jagdtiger, which serve more to deny an area to enemy armor infantry or armor: If there is a heavy hitter of that type on the field, I can avoid engagements in that area and find ways to keep it out of the game even if I cannot counter it. If a player doesn't have a way to quickly counter the B4 though, it doesn't matter where and what engagements happen: Every unit on the larger part of the map and (on the smaller maps) even the base is in danger.
(A sidenote: I also don't understand why people keep writing about damage caused by the B4 being the opponent's fault as their units were standing still. Since when does an infantry force or a slow moving heavy tank have to stand still to get severely damaged by the B4?)
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