Luchs and 222

Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2014, 23:22 PMschnuersi

According to the animation the 222 actually uses AP shots and the Luchs HEI shells. This could explain the difference in anti personell effectiveness. But the anti vehicle effectiveness would be better.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 01:18 AMatouba

The 222's main gun is fine. It can't be too strong like luchs because of the fuel cost.

But the problem is 222 comes out too late. Ostheer is the only faction who don't have very-early light vehicles. It only has 200 HP, the same level as M3,WC51 and Kubel. But compared to the others, it comes out at about 5 min when it can be easily detroyed by a ton of counters. Also, the armor of 222 is too low.

Maybe buffing the 222's HP slightly and increasing fuel cost slightly will make this unit more usefull. For now , it is not worth building this unit.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 08:04 AMCptEend

Lol, I pretty much get a 222 every game I play as wehr (will admit I haven't played a lot of wehr lately, but still ). I don't think it's bad at all

Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2014, 20:35 PMBrick Top

Because when you field a Luchs, you could field a P4.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 01:23 AMMr. Someguy

How can you tell that? I'm interested in what "according to the animation" means.

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Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 10:24 AMEsxile

-222 comes same tiers as Pak40 and PGs.
-Dodge is a doctrinal unit
-M20 comes in a tiers without AT capabilities
-M3 scout car comes from in a tiers without AT capabilities
-Kubel is Koningkubel and comes in a tiers with AT capabilities.

The "asymmetrical balance" may come from that. If you increase 222 health, you'll need a really AT capability to deal with so force people into a unique playstyle, or you need to align the balance by providing AT capabilities in every tiers to each faction.

Going M20 or dodge or M3 is a high risk / high reward option
-High risk because you only rely on soft AT counter to deal with light and medium vehicles until you can unblock the next tier.

Going 222 is not an high risk / high reward option since it comes in a tier with Hard and soft AT capabilities.
In fact, you can build Pak first and 222 or 222 first and pak next.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 09:47 AMpigsoup

How can you tell that? I'm interested in what "according to the animation" means.

you know, like 222 bullets explode like sherman ap rounds and p2 bullets explode like sherman he shells.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 07:13 AMSpanky

222 is fine as it is, buffing its health or armor would make everyone rush it so it would be the new meta. Early game it's great for supporting your units and even killin lonely squads on retreat. But when other light vehicles come around then you need to start using it as a harassement unit or a scout vehicle due to its good sight range. It does require alot of babysitting but once you have that kind of micro, this unit can even shine late game. If upgraded with spotting scopes, this thing is a hax.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 12:00 PMGreenDevil

Rubbish.

It dies with one AT gun shot, is as good as dead if it gets AT naded and if it hits any kind of mine its dead. Guards kill it with ease.

Mind showing me some replays against players that aren't scrubs, when you have used a 222 effectively and harrased and scouted with it, more then once without it dying?