I feel like Obers are proof that OKW is a horribly designed faction.
Nerf them, OKW infantry falls on its face in the late game.
Keep them the way they are, OKW takes a dump on everyone.
Obersoldaten and stuff
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12 Nov 2014, 03:38 AM
#401
Posts: 1891
The Fascisti Will Pay.
12 Nov 2014, 04:41 AM
#402
Posts: 1158
Please allow me the opportunity to have a US Ranger squad with Shock Troop's armor equipped with Thompson and wreck Ober's face off! #Fantasy
What your going to get is the armor of conscripts and the accuracy of rear echelons
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
12 Nov 2014, 05:10 AM
#403
Posts: 1963 | Subs: 1
They don't seem to be rangers but more like city boys.
What your going to get is the armor of conscripts and the accuracy of rear echelons
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12 Nov 2014, 05:12 AM
#404
Posts: 322
They don't seem to be rangers but more like city boys.
I love the CoH1 rangers.. "OPEN UP AND SAY AH YOU KRAUT BAS*ARDS"
12 Nov 2014, 08:22 AM
#407
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
I sense some moderation incoming...
RescuethreadV2.exe
1- Lethality during early game is PERFECT.
2- Lategame lethality is a bit over the top. This includes several things but let's focus on infantry AI.
3- While upgrades should be meaningful, they shouldn't be OVER the top. This leads either to blobs or spread out A-MOVE army.
4- Going back to Obers specifically, LMG34 is INSANE (see any unit which manage to pick them up). You could make the squad spawn with 2 LMG34 or just 1 and spread the DPS.
5- We could go back into making all LMG stationary. This would affect both Paratroopers and Obers (if you want DPS on the move, go STG or Thompsons).
RescuethreadV2.exe
1- Lethality during early game is PERFECT.
2- Lategame lethality is a bit over the top. This includes several things but let's focus on infantry AI.
3- While upgrades should be meaningful, they shouldn't be OVER the top. This leads either to blobs or spread out A-MOVE army.
4- Going back to Obers specifically, LMG34 is INSANE (see any unit which manage to pick them up). You could make the squad spawn with 2 LMG34 or just 1 and spread the DPS.
5- We could go back into making all LMG stationary. This would affect both Paratroopers and Obers (if you want DPS on the move, go STG or Thompsons).
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
12 Nov 2014, 08:28 AM
#408
Posts: 322
4- Going back to Obers specifically, LMG34 is INSANE (see any unit which manage to pick them up). You could make the squad spawn with 2 LMG34 or just 1 and spread the DPS.
5- We could go back into making all LMG stationary. This would affect both Paratroopers and Obers (if you want DPS on the move, go STG or Thompsons).
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
Its utterly retarded that obers and paras run around firing a 26LB!!! LMG From the hip!
They are not John Rambo in First blood pt.2 or John Matrix from Commando!
The SMG should be the on the move option.
And yes yes yes to spreading out the DPS on the squad, One weapon shouldn't be the whole squad's DPS.
12 Nov 2014, 10:13 AM
#409
Posts: 1740
Remove firing on the move and split the LMG34 damage in half and bit less and give them two of them. Simple as that.
This will slightly make them less strong but still keeps them as their heavy AI role.
This will slightly make them less strong but still keeps them as their heavy AI role.
It is though God by command has withdrawn every other throne.
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
12 Nov 2014, 10:31 AM
#410
Posts: 144
I think it would be better for debating if we could access freely the stats of every player.
An other game is using this system and it is working. It is World of tank.
The forum account is linked to the game account..
An other game is using this system and it is working. It is World of tank.
The forum account is linked to the game account..
12 Nov 2014, 11:17 AM
#411
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Posts: 587
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
Its utterly retarded that obers and paras run around firing a 26LB!!! LMG From the hip!
They are not John Rambo in First blood pt.2 or John Matrix from Commando!
The SMG should be the on the move option.
And yes yes yes to spreading out the DPS on the squad, One weapon shouldn't be the whole squad's DPS.
now that you said it, Obersoldaten really remind me of Arnold in commando
http://youtu.be/SNkC_ABia2s?t=2m25s
12 Nov 2014, 14:37 PM
#412
Posts: 140
1- Lethality during early game is PERFECT.
2- Lategame lethality is a bit over the top. This includes several things but let's focus on infantry AI.
3- While upgrades should be meaningful, they shouldn't be OVER the top. This leads either to blobs or spread out A-MOVE army.
Two words for you, the source of brokenness: Veterancy bonuses
13 Nov 2014, 08:39 AM
#413
Posts: 322
now that you said it, Obersoldaten really remind me of Arnold in commando
http://youtu.be/SNkC_ABia2s?t=2m25s
Obers are different... There not shirtless!
13 Nov 2014, 09:19 AM
#414
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
I said it once and Im going to say it one more time.
Obers should have great damage at close and mid distance while very weak af far range because they don't have bipod.
No one can use LMG efficiently at distance without bipod! If they get bipod and it force them to lay down to shot, Im ok, but if they not, they just cannot have such great DPS at far range, unless they are...
and because of that they have arms of steel and dont need bipod.
Obers should have great damage at close and mid distance while very weak af far range because they don't have bipod.
No one can use LMG efficiently at distance without bipod! If they get bipod and it force them to lay down to shot, Im ok, but if they not, they just cannot have such great DPS at far range, unless they are...
and because of that they have arms of steel and dont need bipod.
13 Nov 2014, 11:18 AM
#415
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
^They are just aimbotting. Spray and pray and with so much headshots, i'm surprised they haven't been banned yet for hacking.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
14 Nov 2014, 04:14 AM
#416
Posts: 24
Thing is, OKW don't lack for anti-infantry even without Obers.
Sturmpios are still powerful. They still get a mobile suppression platform. Volks are still very tough with a free grenade. 3 doctrines have powerful elite infantry, and a fourth a cheap MG. The Flak HT is a terror now. They can also easily lock down a sector against infantry with the T4 building. Luchs, when well microed, is really good too. And it's not like these two vehicles are incredibly expensive, a Flacktrack + Puma combo beats anything until the doctrinal mediums/heavies roll out.
When I play OKW, I very rarely get Obers, because I don't need them. Your other core units can very well beat allied infantry; Obers are just the overkill that allows you to effortlessly pound them into dust and force the allied player(s) to get AI vehicles just to counter your 400mp no muni no fuel supersoldiers. That's just stupid design, sorry. At the very least, Obers should need to invest munitions to get their all-powerful MG34, and IMO their LMG should be nerfed at long range along with every other LMG in the game.
And dammit, the lack of medium tanks is no excuse for OKW having superunits. They got the Puma, which any other faction would kill to have. They got shrecks on basic infantry. They got the best turretless TD in the game. They access a Panther far earlier than Ostheer. The faction is designed to work around that weakness; it doesn't need to also have nigh-invincible supersoldiers on top of that. Especially since Obers are not affected by the ressource penalty in any way.
You say "when you play OKW" yet I can't see a single ranked game you have played as OKW on your player card... Single player is very different
14 Nov 2014, 04:39 AM
#417
Posts: 117
You say "when you play OKW" yet I can't see a single ranked game you have played as OKW on your player card... Single player is very different
Yeah and most people who play 4vs4 exclusively are total noobs and need 2 L2p. Not referring to anyone specific, just sayin
14 Nov 2014, 08:30 AM
#418
Posts: 1158
now that you said it, Obersoldaten really remind me of Arnold in commando
http://youtu.be/SNkC_ABia2s?t=2m25s
Arnold is German, his dad was likely an Obersoldaten
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
14 Nov 2014, 08:39 AM
#419
Posts: 322
Arnold is German, his dad was likely an Obersoldaten
What's even more funny is whoever picks up the magical lmg34 becomes a obersoldaten.
Today i managed to pick two lmg34's on a ostruppen squad. At the end of the macth they had over 70 kills, The cover buff and officer buff made it even worse.
14 Nov 2014, 11:24 AM
#420
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
What's even more funny is whoever picks up the magical lmg34 becomes a obersoldaten.
Today i managed to pick two lmg34's on a ostruppen squad. At the end of the macth they had over 70 kills, The cover buff and officer buff made it even worse.
I once had some Pathfinders with LMG34 and Shreck. It was glorious.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
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