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PAK 40 is overperforming when compared to other AT guns

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17 Oct 2014, 18:02 PM
#121
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I dunno, I think the ZiS does its job well enough. 6 man crew makes it tougher than the PaK and the barrage can be useful in a variety of situations. It could maybe use a slight penetration buff but that's pretty much it.
17 Oct 2014, 18:41 PM
#122
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It's not just in comparison to the Rakaten, Johnny, it's in comparison to all the AT guns.

I completely agree that the Pak40 is overpreforming. The fact that it's the most cost efficient armor counter in the game AND that it can be built 5 mins into a match is reason enough to believe it's way too good for it's cost.

But the thing is, if it gets nerfed, dealing with the much more tangible Soviet armor will become a lot more problematic, as the Soviets have several tanks which at max range will shrug off Pak40 shots rather reliably.

So I think something needs to be done that keeps the Pak40's role against heavier soviet armor, but makes it no so easy to chew threw Shermans and Jacksons like a hot knife through butter, as quoted from the Pak40 bulletin.


well germans already have their doctrinal super heavy tanks , tankdestroyers and even the nondoctrinal so called medium panther which is decent against soviet heavies , now if your point is that soviets can actully stick to one tier and proceed to produce a heavy thats another thing
17 Oct 2014, 19:25 PM
#123
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Faction design including the AT guns is just horrible. We have the awesome Pak gun facing off against weaker Allied armor and an average ZIS facing off against Panthers and KTs....
18 Oct 2014, 06:33 AM
#124
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...why not make the ZiS slightly cheaper? 285-300 MP sounds reasonable.

-hides under rock-
18 Oct 2014, 07:14 AM
#125
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Oct 2014, 06:33 AMVolsky
...why not make the ZiS slightly cheaper? 285-300 MP sounds reasonable.

-hides under rock-


-peaks under rock-

i agree, or buff zis

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18 Oct 2014, 07:26 AM
#126
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Oct 2014, 15:40 PMNinjaWJ


Triple QFT. They also get the best infantry


Quadruple QFT

They also get the best offmaps (where's my god of war Artillery barrages Relic??).
18 Oct 2014, 08:29 AM
#127
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Oct 2014, 06:33 AMVolsky
...why not make the ZiS slightly cheaper? 285-300 MP sounds reasonable.

-hides under rock-


And then M-42 free? Remember this abomination of AT gun costs outrageous 200mp.
It would be somewhat appealing if it had cost of 150-160.
18 Oct 2014, 08:31 AM
#128
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Oct 2014, 08:29 AMKatitof


And then M-42 free? Remember this abomination of AT gun costs outrageous 200mp.
It would be somewhat appealing if it had cost of 150-160.
Or we could buff it's damage to 120.
18 Oct 2014, 10:07 AM
#129
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Oct 2014, 08:29 AMKatitof


And then M-42 free? Remember this abomination of AT gun costs outrageous 200mp.
It would be somewhat appealing if it had cost of 150-160.


I wonder.... could the M-42 be garrisonable? maybe that'd make it worth something... (if it weren't for the fact that a stuka would come along and annihilate it..
18 Oct 2014, 13:03 PM
#130
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I wonder.... could the M-42 be garrisonable? maybe that'd make it worth something... (if it weren't for the fact that a stuka would come along and annihilate it..

Annihilate is a good word here.

The gun got as much HP as stuka deals damage. One his and its a wreck.
18 Oct 2014, 15:41 PM
#131
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Make the M-42 better against infantry and buildings.

It was attached to platoons of 30-50 men in Stalingrad (at the very least as a part of the 13 Gv. Str. Div., if not all divisions) that included 2+ flamethrowers, a PTRS team, engineers w. explosives, and a metric arse ton of PPSh-41s and SVTs. The M-42 would blast open a building wall and everyone else would zerg through, presumably whilst the M-42 was making the task of firing out of exposed windows a tricky proposition.
18 Oct 2014, 16:32 PM
#132
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Oct 2014, 15:41 PMVolsky
Make the M-42 better against infantry and buildings.

It was attached to platoons of 30-50 men in Stalingrad (at the very least as a part of the 13 Gv. Str. Div., if not all divisions) that included 2+ flamethrowers, a PTRS team, engineers w. explosives, and a metric arse ton of PPSh-41s and SVTs. The M-42 would blast open a building wall and everyone else would zerg through, presumably whilst the M-42 was making the task of firing out of exposed windows a tricky proposition.



If the M-42 could reliably hit infantry it is all any soviet player would build.
18 Oct 2014, 16:38 PM
#133
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its doctrinal though so i think it would be an interesting strategic choice
18 Oct 2014, 17:25 PM
#134
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You could give it HE shells similar to the Sherman's if it was nerfed a little. Or given a muni cost. That thing probably needs like 5 shots to kill a kubel right now.
18 Oct 2014, 20:39 PM
#135
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Just make it 125 MP and change vet ability to Sprint.
18 Oct 2014, 21:56 PM
#136
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if the m42 had 120 damage and could pen medium tanks at close to medium range it would be a viable option.
21 Oct 2014, 16:38 PM
#137
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Oct 2014, 06:33 AMVolsky
...why not make the ZiS slightly cheaper? 285-300 MP sounds reasonable.

-hides under rock-


It need to be better, not cheaper.
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