^^ Well, the "old" T-34 worked before, it'd work now. Apart from that the germans can afford better AT than the soviets (PAKs with stun, shrecks) + superblitz, forcing the soviets to fight fire with fire wouldn't work. The germans just simply better at combined arms and defence. They'd just die closing in on the germans. Lowering the T-34's armor would be a death sentence, cost decrease cannot justify this.
It needs the old reload again and better veterancy or an upgrade to 85 once hits vet 2-3.
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19 Sep 2014, 18:17 PM
#21
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19 Sep 2014, 18:28 PM
#22
Posts: 39
Soviets already have the weaker AT guns, weaker AT nades, and non existent AT infantry. Why should they also have weaker medium tanks? It's already way easier to keep a P4 alive than a T34 (not to mention smoke/blitz).
19 Sep 2014, 18:43 PM
#23
Posts: 598
^^ Well, the "old" T-34 worked before, it'd work now. Apart from that the germans can afford better AT than the soviets (PAKs with stun, shrecks) + superblitz, forcing the soviets to fight fire with fire wouldn't work. The germans just simply better at combined arms and defence. They'd just die closing in on the germans. Lowering the T-34's armor would be a death sentence, cost decrease cannot justify this.
It needs the old reload again and better veterancy or an upgrade to 85 once hits vet 2-3.
No, it didn't work before. Before it was who wins in close range? RNG, who wins at long range? RNG.
While Germans have better abilities against tanks, the Soviets have better abilities against things that are not tanks, hence the Soviets can ruin a German combined arms easier while having hard time against tanks while the Germans have a harder time against Soviet weapon teams. With a cost decrease the Soviets would be able to afford their things therefore setting up there combined arms easier. Cheaper tanks, cheaper AT guns the Soviets did win the war by simply outnumbering the Germans in terms of material like having more tanks and anti tank guns, trying to translate that into the game.
19 Sep 2014, 19:34 PM
#24
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No, it didn't work before. Before it was who wins in close range? RNG, who wins at long range? RNG.
While Germans have better abilities against tanks, the Soviets have better abilities against things that are not tanks, hence the Soviets can ruin a German combined arms easier while having hard time against tanks while the Germans have a harder time against Soviet weapon teams. With a cost decrease the Soviets would be able to afford their things therefore setting up there combined arms easier. Cheaper tanks, cheaper AT guns the Soviets did win the war by simply outnumbering the Germans in terms of material like having more tanks and anti tank guns, trying to translate that into the game.
Except, at late game its not infantry that decides the outcome, its armor(unless you play OKW).
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
20 Sep 2014, 04:15 AM
#25
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I say T-34 should get 800 health as a vet bonus. Or possibly stock, although that would require slight overhauls of some axis units like the Panzer IV.
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20 Sep 2014, 06:31 AM
#26
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it since war tank and then soviet have t-34-85. i dont understand why i cant upgrade my t-34-76 to t-34-85 if it same tank. why panzer have another modifications when they get vet and soviet tank cant?.
and german have pz-2-3 and 4 with small gun in since war. where is it ?!
and german have pz-2-3 and 4 with small gun in since war. where is it ?!
20 Sep 2014, 18:00 PM
#27
Posts: 692
SU-85s are far from useless, they just need a mobility + turn rate buff
20 Sep 2014, 22:08 PM
#28
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paks with stun? where?
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21 Sep 2014, 09:23 AM
#29
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T34/76 is where it's supposed to be. Still usefull, still spamable in large quantities. L2P.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
21 Sep 2014, 09:33 AM
#30
Posts: 1617
T34/76 is where it's supposed to be. Still usefull, still spamable in large quantities. L2P.
Cons are where they're supposed to be according to Relic. Still somewhat usefull, still spamable, cost more than volks and same as grens. L2P. MVGame
Stugs are more spammable than T-34s and are far better, I don't see your logic here.
Your post is flawed and not logical.
Soviet T3 + T4 are way too screwed, nerfing the core units only promote call-ins. It's not a L2P issue........more like an another useless unit made for the soviets.
21 Sep 2014, 10:08 AM
#31
Posts: 1130
Cons are where they're supposed to be according to Relic. Still somewhat usefull, still spamable, cost more than volks and same as grens. L2P. MVGame
Stugs are more spammable than T-34s and are far better, I don't see your logic here.
Your post is flawed and not logical.
Soviet T3 + T4 are way too screwed, nerfing the core units only promote call-ins. It's not a L2P issue........more like an another useless unit made for the soviets.
Perhaps the call ins are imbalanced then, considering what you are getting for 130 fuel for a 85 and 135 for a e8
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21 Sep 2014, 10:26 AM
#32
Posts: 971
SU-85s are far from useless, they just need a mobility + turn rate buff
That or increase frontal armor.
SU85 would be a great unit if you could build any AI unit in the same tier. But making T4 leaves you extremely vulnerable to enemy infantry.
(No, katyusha is not a AI counter. Mobile arty are great against blobs and emplacements, not against single assault squads.)
Maybe SOME DAY Relic will swap the fucking T70 to T4 where it will do a better job.
21 Sep 2014, 10:31 AM
#33
Posts: 239
Perhaps the call ins are imbalanced then, considering what you are getting for 130 fuel for a 85 and 135 for a e8
140 for 85 (130 each with the double call in discount) and 145 for E8
21 Sep 2014, 10:47 AM
#34
Posts: 978
SU-85s are far from useless, they just need a mobility + turn rate buffI still shudder thinking about the times the SU-85 could just reverse and was almost as fast as the tanks trying to chase it, making it futile to pursue. And on some maps like Semoiski it was untouchable.
I´d prefer a cost decrease.
21 Sep 2014, 11:10 AM
#35
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
T34/76 is where it's supposed to be. Still usefull, still spamable in large quantities. L2P.
Dense as jagdtiger frontal armor.
Its impossible to spam it in large quantities.
For 4 P4s you get 5 T34 and you still need to pay more menpower for then for P4s. Its hardly a spammable price.
That is like saying Fallshirmjeagers are not spammable, but Obersoldaten are spammable.
And no, its not useful, its worst medium tank in game against infantry and its completely helpless against any armor.
Please, take the swastika blindfold for a moment and try to see things as they are, not by the prism of heavy axis bias.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Sep 2014, 11:15 AM
#36
Posts: 57
Just make the SU85 maybe 10 fuel cheaper and give it a slightly better turn rate(Im thinking +0.5 maybe?). Right now its still pretty much almost as fast as a PIV, so I dont think that any mobility buffs except for turn rate would be very advisable.
The T34/76 is fine, it just needs to scale better. When it comes out, it can dish out some damage. The problem is just that while the germans get rewarded for keeping their shit alive by getting armour skirts n stuff, the T34 kinda remains on the same level even at vet3, only marginally improving on speed and stuff. Maybe give it a vet2 bonus to get its "bugged" reload time back and at vet3 give it 100hp more or something like that. Im very sure this would already solve the problem without going overboard too much.
The T34/76 is fine, it just needs to scale better. When it comes out, it can dish out some damage. The problem is just that while the germans get rewarded for keeping their shit alive by getting armour skirts n stuff, the T34 kinda remains on the same level even at vet3, only marginally improving on speed and stuff. Maybe give it a vet2 bonus to get its "bugged" reload time back and at vet3 give it 100hp more or something like that. Im very sure this would already solve the problem without going overboard too much.
21 Sep 2014, 11:37 AM
#37
Posts: 627
Still usefull, still spamable in large quantities. L2P.
Oh boy!
For every 5 T-34/76's, my opponent will only have FOUR vastly superior PzIV! And also a PaK!
Spammable was when they were 40 fuel each. Those days are long, long gone.
Wait, Kaitiof beat me to it.
21 Sep 2014, 13:02 PM
#38
Posts: 647
i have no idea how you guys are able to stand and post in this axis biased forums. my hats off.
21 Sep 2014, 13:23 PM
#39
Posts: 281
T34/76 is where it's supposed to be. Still usefull, still spamable in large quantities. L2P.
t-34 is hardly cheaper than a panzer 4.
21 Sep 2014, 14:01 PM
#40
Posts: 1130
t-34 is hardly cheaper than a panzer 4.
25 fuel is quite a bit and the t-34 vs p4 is not Nearly as one sided as a p4 against a e8 or 85 who only cost 5 to 10 fuel more.
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