Bars are the worst upgrade in the game.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 15:19 PMMilkaCow

If you want a constructive discussion, then please try to not showcase stuff in the way that profits your points omitting anything that doesn't fit.

I can also present stuff in a way that makes it look huge, even with the oh-so bad BAR.

USF Riflemen Garand long range DPS is 1.46
USF Riflemen BAR long range DPS is 2.95

THAT'S 203% THE DMG!!!!!!

If you compare that with the G43

Grenadier Kar-98k long range DPS is 1.97
Grenadier G43 long range DPS is 1.98

That's only a 0.5% improvement.

So USF gets a 103% improvement for 60 munition, while Ostheer gets two 0.5% improvements for 45 munition? BALANCE PLEASE! Even more WTF, USF CAN GET THAT IMPROVEMENT TWICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you compare such weapons there are many more factors than just the DPS at one single range. LMG is a long range improvement that decreases the closer you get. At 0 range it has close to no improvement. Additionally you cannot use it on the move.



The BAR on the other hand is another kind of upgrade. It's a straight upgrade. It's profile is extremely similar to the Garand one, so there is not one range where it really is a "giant" upgrade, but it just adds like ~4 DPS at every range. Additionally the BAR offers better moving modifiers than the Garand.



So in total I think the BAR is a bit too weak right now, but not much. ~5% or such maybe, if you want to buff it more DPS wise you probably should lower the utility buffs (Firing on the move stuff).

Edit: Probably best would be best to decrease long range damage a bit more, but increase mid damage to emphasize it's a mobility short/mid range upgrade. This would also help to differentiate it more from the M1919A6

Edit2: Fixed the numbers. Thanks Cruzzie.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 21:45 PMBulgakov

Anyone thinking OP is right just needs to read this post by Milka then unbunch their panties.

If it doesn't convince you continue by reading Jinseual's post.

Rifleman are very good from the very start of the game and continue to be good with BARs at he correct range.

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2014, 00:45 AMelchino7

So, i guess you didn't read the part where he said they might be a bit too weak right now.

And OP statement might remain true: Bars are the worst upgrade in the game (for cost, teching and performance)

PD: eventhough i feel that the Stormtroopers upgrade is a bit worst (100muni for PGs hmmm...)

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2014, 23:44 PMwillyto

It seems everyone wants to forget that you have to spend MP and FUEL before you have to spend AMMO and that you have to return to base losing map control while you do it.

Meanwhile the AXIS players just spend AMMO and can do it everywhere in the map.

I only use grenade (Smoke is needed) and the M1919A6 Browning LMG that comes with the Infantry Company because you don't have to spend MP and Fuel for it.

They could keep the weapon rack at base but make them cost only AMMO while having to go back to base to get them.

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2014, 01:40 AMvan Voort

What about G43s on PGrens?

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2014, 05:35 AMelchino7

You get AWESOME UTILITY with interrogation

PG dps is good already, you are just changing a bit of close DPS for double DPS at far range and increase DPS while on move.

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2014, 10:15 AMMilkaCow

#TrustInReric

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2014, 10:23 AMKatitof

New allies motto:

"Just stay there and take it"

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2014, 01:40 AMvan Voort

What about G43s on PGrens?