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20 Sep 2014, 17:52 PM
#122
avatar of Jaigen

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And i must insist you are making completely untrue statements. Without ever backing them up.

It was the Axisplayers who were always furious that their more expensive tanks could get disabled by a cheaper one ramming them. Hence why at first, they had ram only work in a straight line and not follow the target if it turned around.

Meanwhile, soviets did point out that ram didn't trigger reliably, and that T34 in tank fights was at an extreme disadvantage, being basicly almost useless vs tigers and needing a lot of help to beat a lone p4.

but everyone considered ram to be a ludicrous and stupid ability, because it basicly sacrified a tank for some nice crits, but made t34 immonilized and without weapons.
Soviet T3 being so bad against armor could hardly stand back then, and still doesn't stand that well today, when soviets are forced to chose between t3 and 4.


ram was just stupid and in some cases game breaking. and now i want no further discussion of that abomination.
20 Sep 2014, 18:27 PM
#123
avatar of Jaigen

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Panzer IV was an obsolete tank in 1942 but the German still had to lengthen its life as a main battle tank due to the lack of new tanks produced. They tried to add so many things into this old design so of course it has to cost more and not as cost effective as the T-34.


the p4 was considered slightly superior to 85 . this was an assessment that the soviet commanders made during testing according the red army handbook. in fact one of the key reasons the germans lost was they focussed to much on quality over quantity. doesnt change the fact however that the t-34 where very bad tanks.
20 Sep 2014, 20:07 PM
#124
avatar of Cardboard Tank

Posts: 978

Ram means now only you lose a t-34, giving with luck the enemy eniging damdge.
I agree ram is useless. But it was a plague before the nerfs. Best thing would be imo to just stun both tanks. It would be like target weak point, just that it would also stun the T-34 for some time.
20 Sep 2014, 20:58 PM
#125
avatar of Kronosaur0s

Posts: 1701

Pre patch was, holy yezus, Tiger/Elefant? no problem, let me ram it and it will become useless, yeeha! Now its useless
21 Sep 2014, 02:35 AM
#126
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Sep 2014, 18:27 PMJaigen


the p4 was considered slightly superior to 85 . this was an assessment that the soviet commanders made during testing according the red army handbook. in fact one of the key reasons the germans lost was they focussed to much on quality over quantity. doesnt change the fact however that the t-34 where very bad tanks.

The T-34 are better than Pz IV G in some areas like speed, terrain crossing... while made up for all other disadvantages by the easiness to repair and produce, with less skill required for workers.

A Panzer IV G cost 103 462 Reichmark without weapons.
A Panther cost 117 100 Reichmark without weapons, optics, or radio.
As we can see, a 'superior' version of the Panzer IV cost nearly as much as a Panther!!
While a T-34 only cost roughly half the Panther.

In fact, T-34 was a newer and better design. If the Soviet really want they can easily produce better quality versions but that does not justify the cost, time and workers to produce it, so they didn't. That's why German tanks maybe better one vs one but they lost as a whole.

And in case you mention about win loss ratio, as the war went on Soviet become the attacking force then the most dangerous threats for the T-34 was hand held AT and AT gun, not German tanks. So win loss ratio didn't say the whole story.
21 Sep 2014, 07:32 AM
#127
avatar of Airborne

Posts: 281

Pre patch was, holy yezus, Tiger/Elefant? no problem, let me ram it and it will become useless, yeeha! Now its useless

tradition al relic overnerf.
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