Panzergrenadier needs a buff
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First: i think they cost alot of manpower (340). I know there price got dropped from 360 to 340 but 20 mp isn't a very big difference.
Second: they die relatively fast on the battlefield vs rifleman but do a little bit better vs conscript. so i think an armor buff isn't a bad idea to do there high mp cost.
third: the only way they are truly effective is as an at unit support alongside a pak43 and p4's. But the panzershreck cost 120 munition so i would have to wait a while before i get that much munition since i have to pay 60 munition for the medic bunker and also get lmg's upgrade.
Those are the problems i have with the panzergrenadiers they aren't that effective on the battlefield do to there high mp cost and there low armor. so they are next to useless .
that's just my opinion on the panzergrenadier.
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Buff their armor or something so they don't die so easily and they will be fine.
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giving them 1.2 armor or something would be fairThey already have a reduced accuracy modifier which does the same thing. Relic would just raise that instead of armor if they were going to buff it. Only shocktroopers have armor since they literally wear armor.
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In current state its worth 300 mp and 35 reinforce max ,no more.
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They're still great AT with Panzerschrecks though, and my concern about buffing their survivability is that they become too much of a threat to tanks (especially medium tanks, which are already suffering a bit in the current meta). I mean, imagine how hard it would be to deal with Shock Troops if they had 2 Panzerschrecks.
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I'd like to see reinforce cost reduced to like 35 (like all other elite infantry have), little boost in armor and single upgrade with shreck (up to 2 upgrades)
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As said above LMG meta punishes heavily short range units. Conscripts have Oraah, and Shocks have smoke, perhaps Pgrens should have any ability to get at close range safely.
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Something I've thought would help PG play is buying one shrek at a time so that it's not 120 but 2x60. Also letting the g43 be two slots so 2x60 again.
g43 on pg just makes no sense in this current patch. You actually lose short range dps by getting this upgrade (from 14.805 per solider to 11.052) And you only gain a small bit on the long range (from 1.206 to 2.512).
I would never get g43 on pg in this current patch.
source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrrrPr20ncdGF4VURuYjVGZXlIN3ptbV8tbzRzN0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0
Maybe single schreck upgrade and smoke grenades will make PGs much more useful.
As said above LMG meta punishes heavily short range units. Conscripts have Oraah, and Shocks have smoke, perhaps Pgrens should have any ability to get at close range safely.
This was requested before, but relic never agreed to it. In fact, in the beta it was possible to get a single shrek for 60ammo.
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Thing is if panzergrenadier stays redundant and lmgs get a nerf affecting grens,then ostheer is automatically finished as far as infantry is concerned.
LMG nerf will affect every faction, and most probably PGrens will be buffed too.
I suppose that in next patch soviet & ostheer infantry will be buffed meanwhile WFA factions infantry will be slightly toned down.
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Fix the cause of the problem first, not symptoms.
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It all comes down to rifles having bit too much long range DPS and LMGs overperforming.Panzergrenadiers are under-performing. Your solution: Nerf Grens... Take away the last reliable Ost infantry unit.
Fix the cause of the problem first, not symptoms.
If you are serious about this, I´m just sad, not even angry.
Give Panzergrens less received accuracy, leave Grens and their LMG as they are and we are fine. After all it´s a 60 mun upgrade and the only reason they scale into the late game before getting squad wiped.
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Panzergrenadiers are under-performing. Your solution: Nerf Grens... Take away the last reliable Ost infantry unit.
I will tell you a secret, but don't tell it to anyone kk?
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Sure, but who will be affected the most by those LMG nerfs?
I will tell you a secret, but don't tell it to anyone kk?
1) Ostheer, LMG Grens: The only combat-infantry unit used, backbone of every game. LMGs are a must have.
2) Soviets, Guards: Doctrinal, and even then I dont always upgrade them. Half of the games though, you dont use the DP at all.
3) USA, Rifles: Riflemen are the strongest standard infantry in the game, they are strong even without LMGs.
So through the backdoor you would nerf Ostheer - the weakest faction of the game - even further.
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