My thoughts & ideas on Conscripts

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2014, 20:29 PMJaigen

Shreks are pretty terrible especially if overpriced at 90 ammo. their vet 1 is useful but nowhere the survivability other squads get when they reach vet 2 . basically every single squad has more survivability at vet 2 until the volks reach vet 5.

reaching vet 5 is a fucking chore. panzer fusiliers and obers (and pretty much every other okw infantry) have a much easier time reaching their veterancy then volks.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 17:00 PMMajorBloodnok

If I understood things correctly, Cons are due for an imminent buff, as are Volks in OKW.

Should keep all sides happy.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2014, 20:29 PMJaigen

Shreks are pretty terrible

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2014, 20:29 PMJaigen

Shreks are pretty terrible especially if overpriced at 90 ammo.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2014, 22:18 PMelchino7

First of all: AT has always been great for units to vet up easily. Why? Because you are facing with "cheap" units an even more expensive unit. Reason why AT guns vet quickly.

Second:
This are the bonus for Volks.
-10% received accuracy
+30% accuracy -20% weapon cooldown
-10% received accuracy Healing when out of combat
+40% sight range +30% accuracy
-29% received accuracy

Not every squad get defensive bonuses at vet2 (Grens-Osstruppen-Conscripts-Penals-Irregulars-Obers-PF). Obviously an extra man is better on terms of survivability so i don´t think anyone would think that vet2 PG -JLI-Falls (-29% RA for a total 1.45armor) are more survivable than Volks.

And if their are now tanks then how do you vet them up?

thats the problem of volks they simply cannot kill late game while scripts still can use their molotovs and can significantly reduce the flexibility of enemy tanks with their at nades. so their volks ai defintly need some looking at.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 08:57 AMJaigen

And if their are now tanks then how do you vet them up? and the best defence is a death enemy. thats the problem of volks they simply cannot kill late game while scripts still can use their molotovs and can significantly reduce the flexibility of enemy tanks with their at nades. so their volks ai defintly need some looking at.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 10:34 AMSarantini

Why do volks need to be good at killing?

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 10:34 AMSarantini

A shreck will vet them up extremely quick since damage done to vehicles gives a lot of XP

Why do volks need to be good at killing? You have a plethora of other units to do the killing (sturmpios, falls, jaeger, obers, panzerfusiliers). Defensive bonuses are great for volks since you can get your shreck better in position, they might not slow down vehicles but they definitely fend them off with the great damage and range of shrecks.
And lol, molotovs lategame? you will lose 2 man getting in range and 3 man during the wind up animation. It also does damage over time which is just worse than normal nades except against support teams.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 10:35 AMBurts

What? Volksgrenadiers also have grenades, and also have doctrinal 10 muni assault grenades... and can actually do good damage at vet 4 vet 5, plus they aren't meant to be anti infantry squads. Cons might be able to throw at grenades, but volks have the amazing shreck which with the vet bonuses the volks have makes it super accurate and makes them really durable.


In my eyes buffing volks is a mistake, because we don't need more volks spam.

Anyways, we will see.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 11:54 AMThunderhun

Volks are great at their job: defending and cannon fodder role, they are not assault infantry. They are much better than cons thx to the shreck , vet 5 and the free nades, self-heal (isn't overpriced as the OKW doesn't have to spend much ammo to anything else). While cons need 250 mp and 50 fuel to get molis, at-nades + 250mp for the healing. In terms of cost and scaling volks > cons.

They are not meant to kill other units, rather than holding them off as the OKW's other units are perfect for killing. Buffing them would only cause a mass OKW OP cry and more blobs. Rifles has to be better than volks 280mp > 235mp.

And I hate to say this....but they scale very well and if you don't see this play more games.

To the OP; it has been mentioned many times. Cons need a weapon upgrade once T3 or T4 is up.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 12:12 PMJaigen

No they dont conscripts scale well with vet and at nades.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 12:25 PMNinjaWJ

AT Nades are very bad past midgame. You'll be ooorahing forever just to catch up with a tank, and getting shredded by axis infantry along the way

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 11:36 AMCannonade

Same could be asked of Cons.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 12:56 PMCannonade

Sounds like you are using them wrong.

If you think Oorah/AtNade is hard to land without overextending, try getting Faust hit without having Oorah, its even worse.
And Cons 6man soaks vehicle maingun/native MGs better than a 4man.
Also you have to be retarded not to outrange Shreks or displace before they fire (quite long firing time).

And again, funny how some people completely ignore Ooah/Merge/6man native as if it didnt exist or matter.
Its like they delberately leave it out to try and make Cons look shittier than they really are, to dishonestly support their attempt to make Cons basically have eveyrthing.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 14:15 PMpigsoup

because sov doesn't have "plethora of killing units" as saraniti mentions for okw?

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 14:17 PMwongtp

again and again you bring up merge and oorah, but fail to mention the free abilities that grens and volks get through teching, which are arguably much more useful than merge or oorah.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 14:17 PMwongtp

the fanboyism in this thread is high.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 14:21 PMCannonade

Sure they do.


Count them.
Merge+Oorah+AT/Nade+Molotov
vs
Faust+RNade+LMG



I agree.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 14:17 PMwongtp

again and again you bring up merge and oorah, but fail to mention the free abilities that grens and volks get through teching, which are arguably much more useful than merge or oorah.

the fanboyism in this thread is high. amazing that we have people saying volks are useless and 90muni schrecks are useless. i guess the whinetrain wont stop until volks are armed with mg34s for free.