New Soviet Commander: Tank Hunter Tactics

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 18:01 PMRomeo

It's 743x949 for me.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 15:52 PMKatitof

Its a conscript based commander with no ppsh, no guards, no shocks.

As much as I'd like to have it, its only value is collectors value, because most ineffective infantry squad coupled with most ineffective AT weapon simply can not work.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 19:28 PMThe_Courier

Had a teammate who used it.

Grenades are slow, and not terribly effective. You won't hit anything faster than a Tiger, and then the 'nades probably won't penetrate.

The mines seem redundant, since Soviets already have a cheap and effective mine.

Conscript PTRS at 3 CPs? This weapon already sucks at 2 CP on the thougher Guards for free, now you want to make your only infantry even less powerful by paying ammo for it, in order to get a rifle that can't hurt anything bigger than a halftrack? Sure, that totally justifies getting the doctrine.

Salvage kit he didn't even use. Not really an exciting ability.¸

The bombing run is apparently fairly cheap, but the bombs aren't very powerful. From what I saw a few hits brought a P4 to half health.

It seems this commander is pretty much only there for flavor, or if you won the early game so hard you want to troll your opponent.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 20:02 PMBurts

I don't understand why people trash on this commander so much.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 20:12 PMAbdul

wow so you get 2 ptrs for 30 ammo only! that means u can get 7 cons plus maybe a sniper and just unleash them with no consequences to you!

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 20:24 PMGreeb

Currently, any doctrine relying in conscripts is a failed doctrine.

Whitout guards/shocks, mark vehicle or heavy tanks I don't know how you could win a single game. You could rape that commander just spamming sturmpios.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 20:16 PMBurts

http://steamcommunity.com/app/231430/discussions/0/35220315617359637/ here are some screenshots of that commander


and here is a replay http://www.coh2.org/replay/21993/soviet-tank-hunter-tactics-demonstration (altho only vs AI)

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 15:33 PMAbdul

This is the second time I see this commander, first time as a drop and the second time now in the load out of one of my random 3v3 mates. I asked the guy what he thought about it, but he didn't say much. I think this commander can wreck any okw player that goes early ht/puma/p2. I am not sure I like that. Plus with so many commanders it just seems you dont have enough slots for all of those commanders anymore.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 20:51 PMHappyPhace

Considering conspam is still a viable and efficient strategy, at least in 1v1 as far as I know, 7-8 con squads with 2x PTRS is no joke. PTRS en masse is actually a threat against any axis vehicles/tanks besides heavies, although I'm not too sure about panthers.

There's also the novelty factor of PTRS having a small chance to hit a model and take off a huge chunk of health.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 20:51 PMHappyPhace

Considering conspam is still a viable and efficient strategy, at least in 1v1 as far as I know, 7-8 con squads with 2x PTRS is no joke. PTRS en masse is actually a threat against any axis vehicles/tanks besides heavies, although I'm not too sure about panthers.

There's also the novelty factor of PTRS having a small chance to hit a model and take off a huge chunk of health.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 21:05 PMKatitof

You will fight mostly tigers, from upfront in the current meta.

Tiger takes 27 penetrating PTRS shots.
PTRS will penetrate it about 28-30% of the time.

That is a LOT of shots, even if you've got a lot of guns it'll still wreck you.
LMG grens will wreck you.

Any OKW infantry will wreck you, that includes volks that sacrifice just 1 rifle for their own AT and scale incomparably better.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 21:18 PMHappyPhace

All valid points, although the idea behind spamming 7-8+ cons is to have a tonne of map control in the early-mid game so that tigers and late game scaling of vetted OKW units become non-issues due to rushing out T34s asap and just finish the game asap.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 09:13 AMpigsoup

looking at the screenshots, it seems salvage kit cost 100mu and restrict you from getting any other upgrades for CE. may be a bit too expensive and restrictive?

we might never know anyway... so few ppl have them