What should Relic do to increase allies-players?
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9 Sep 2014, 22:20 PM
#201
Posts: 140
Yeah this new patch is definitely not going to have more people playing US.
9 Sep 2014, 22:23 PM
#202
Posts: 971
Some guy in Relic's HQ bet that they couldn't reach a 100% axis playerbase.
If the only explanation to this patch.
If the only explanation to this patch.
9 Sep 2014, 22:25 PM
#203
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
At least we have 70DPS assault engies for USF now. Will help until devs stop goofing around and bring a balance patch 
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
9 Sep 2014, 23:33 PM
#204
Posts: 2070
Allies seem to be really powerful now. Still I don't want to join this spammy playstyle so I play axis.
Too bad Volks and GRens are spammed as well .. kekekekekeke
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
10 Sep 2014, 00:12 AM
#205
Posts: 2280 | Subs: 2
Permanently BannedI like the production speed increase for USF. but not touching USF after rifles got nurfed
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
10 Sep 2014, 00:54 AM
#206
Posts: 73
Easily the dumbest thing I've read all thread. I think all American's in this thread an agree we've been nationalized and brainwashed to think we're the coolest nation from birth. Whether or not you agree is bullshit. I know if I took 5 minutes on google scholar I could prove that more often than not American's choose to make their heritage known in video games or anywhere else. You guys are just trying to justify being on the axis dick.
Pretty much this.
10 Sep 2014, 03:43 AM
#207
Posts: 2487 | Subs: 21
Answer to OP,
This patch.
Is a great leap forward on the road to permanent 100% searching as axis.
+1 Cruzz
10 Sep 2014, 17:56 PM
#208
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
Make new commanders drop only while playing with the opposite faction 
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
10 Sep 2014, 19:54 PM
#209
Posts: 2070
We failed comrades. Vetlolcake is probably a Relic developer!!!!
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
10 Sep 2014, 21:38 PM
#210
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We failed comrades. Vetlolcake is probably a Relic developer!!!!
No! Whatever else the troll may be, he cannot lay claim to that
11 Sep 2014, 02:24 AM
#211
Posts: 154 | Subs: 2
Stop talking about balance in EVERY SINGLE THREAD! That was not the question here. If you think that Axis is favored over allies because of balance then say so we don't need more information on your personal view on the current balance.
This shall hence become my music
11 Sep 2014, 06:03 AM
#212
Posts: 1595 | Subs: 2
Hello my name is Napalm and I lead a pack of bears.
I believe that in 3v3 and 4v4 game modes axis are preferred because it easier to win.
Futhermore...
Thanks for reading
I believe that in 3v3 and 4v4 game modes axis are preferred because it easier to win.
Futhermore...
Thanks for reading
The views and opinions expressed in my posts and topics are solely those of the Napalm. These views and opinions do not necessarily represent those of Relic, the developers, The Angry Bears and/or any/all contributors to this site.
12 Sep 2014, 12:52 PM
#213
Posts: 680
It is worse since patch. To bad relic sidestepped this question in the stream they did yesterday.
12 Sep 2014, 13:24 PM
#214
Posts: 294
I have played many WW2 rts games and people generally choose sides based on their ability to win with them, there are some who will veto Axis or allies due to hating the other factions depicted nation, I probably fall into that category as although I play Axis I only do it to know their weaknesses so I can win as allies.
but in my experience I am the exception rather than the rule, most people play to win only, which is probably healthier than my silly anti axis stance.
but in my experience I am the exception rather than the rule, most people play to win only, which is probably healthier than my silly anti axis stance.
12 Sep 2014, 13:56 PM
#215
Posts: 1954
The only thing that would increase allies would be to balance the game in 4v4.
The popular explanation in this thread that people play axis because the units look better is complete BS. The search numbers before this patch were generally 60 Axis to 40 Allies. Now the numbers are often 90-10. Do you really think that most of the people who used to play allies suddenly found the axis units irrestible?
I prefer playing allies but even before the patch it was difficult to have a decent game. If the allies didn't have a significant territory advantage at the 10 minute mark, the game wasn't likely to go well unless there was several good players on the allies side.
Since the patch, it's been really difficult to play allies. Removing the Dodge, nerfing rifles at long range, and adding nearly instant suppression by the clown car has made it so most of the games are really bad. The clown cars get sent to both fuels and are difficult to drive off. Even if they do get driven off, the allies will be so far behind in fuel and tech that they will soon be fighting Pumas with rifles.
The popular explanation in this thread that people play axis because the units look better is complete BS. The search numbers before this patch were generally 60 Axis to 40 Allies. Now the numbers are often 90-10. Do you really think that most of the people who used to play allies suddenly found the axis units irrestible?
I prefer playing allies but even before the patch it was difficult to have a decent game. If the allies didn't have a significant territory advantage at the 10 minute mark, the game wasn't likely to go well unless there was several good players on the allies side.
Since the patch, it's been really difficult to play allies. Removing the Dodge, nerfing rifles at long range, and adding nearly instant suppression by the clown car has made it so most of the games are really bad. The clown cars get sent to both fuels and are difficult to drive off. Even if they do get driven off, the allies will be so far behind in fuel and tech that they will soon be fighting Pumas with rifles.
12 Sep 2014, 14:14 PM
#216
Posts: 5
I'm really hesitant to come out with hyperbolic, catch-all summaries on the state of the game. But post patch I've dropped 14% winrate in 2v2 as USF, and honestly its hell out there. Buffed Kubels, buffed grens, no counter for the wehr sniper other than taking out the freshly nerfed truck commander. Of course the game is balanced for 1v1 but I doubt its much better in that bracket either. There also seem to be a speight of people trying their hand at allies who, patently, should stick to those Axis 4v4 turtlefests.
I'm probably gonna cool off on automatching with randoms for the meanwhile.
I'm probably gonna cool off on automatching with randoms for the meanwhile.
12 Sep 2014, 14:32 PM
#217
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
I'm allies player and I love big teamgames. Guards+Mark Targer+ISU was the only option versus KT or JT. Now that's gone. I enjoy to use USF aswell despite it's pain in the ass to use Jackson vs Axis Heavies. Streak +5 was really hard to get. On the other had, I bought OKW week ago, just started to use them and guess what, streak +21 without any problems...
Just check ladder for streak. Axis are arous 15-30. Allies 1-10. Maybe what Im going to say is quastionable but if game would be properly balanced for 1v1 and 2v2, 4v4 would also be, because often it's not 4v4 but 4x 1v1 or 2x 2v2.
But Axis have to many late-game OP units. Someone sad that CoH is designed as rock paper scissors. It's good but at some point there is no scissors for Axis' "paper" like KT, JT, Tiger Ace, Elephant.
Give USF Pershing, redesing Soviets and maybe amout of Allies player will grow.
Just check ladder for streak. Axis are arous 15-30. Allies 1-10. Maybe what Im going to say is quastionable but if game would be properly balanced for 1v1 and 2v2, 4v4 would also be, because often it's not 4v4 but 4x 1v1 or 2x 2v2.
But Axis have to many late-game OP units. Someone sad that CoH is designed as rock paper scissors. It's good but at some point there is no scissors for Axis' "paper" like KT, JT, Tiger Ace, Elephant.
Give USF Pershing, redesing Soviets and maybe amout of Allies player will grow.
12 Sep 2014, 15:57 PM
#220
Posts: 2070
I am glad people have the same observations as me regarding Allies and Axis in team games. It is either win fast or face impending loss.
Another problem I see is that OKW and Ost can choose to attack or defend. They have good enough units where they can be flexible in offense and defense. However, Allies have no heavy emplacements suited for a defense. Allies just focus on attacking the enemy. Once heavy Axis tanks roll out, the "attack only" strategy of Allies just evaporates to the strong armor and damage of Axis heavies.
In my experience with team games (I play them exclusively), Allies usually have a good map advantage during the early and midgame (probably 60 percent). If you haven't crushed the Axis by then or made one rage, it is going to be a pain in the ass to deal with Panthers, KT, Jagdtigers, etc.
Another problem I see is that OKW and Ost can choose to attack or defend. They have good enough units where they can be flexible in offense and defense. However, Allies have no heavy emplacements suited for a defense. Allies just focus on attacking the enemy. Once heavy Axis tanks roll out, the "attack only" strategy of Allies just evaporates to the strong armor and damage of Axis heavies.
In my experience with team games (I play them exclusively), Allies usually have a good map advantage during the early and midgame (probably 60 percent). If you haven't crushed the Axis by then or made one rage, it is going to be a pain in the ass to deal with Panthers, KT, Jagdtigers, etc.
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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