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29 Jul 2014, 14:22 PM
#21
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I´m fine with its frontal armor. Flanking is part of the game. But if Panzer IV shots constantly bounce off the the rear and side, the armor values are bullshit.


I'm fine with everything IS-2 became. What I am not fine with, is how they nerfed the Tiger. But anyway....
29 Jul 2014, 15:07 PM
#22
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Posts: 148

Agreed, Tiger needs a slight buff. IS2 will then be fine.
29 Jul 2014, 17:51 PM
#23
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Should you have done your daily prayers to the RNG gods, that thing wouldnt had happened.
29 Jul 2014, 21:46 PM
#24
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Should you have done your daily prayers to the RNG gods, that thing wouldnt had happened.


I did! I sacrificed 3 x vet3 Gren squads upgraded with Lmg42 into T34 tanks in honor to the RNG gods but it seems they weren't pleased.
29 Jul 2014, 21:48 PM
#25
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Posts: 4928

As it is now, it is statistically possible, as unlikely as it is, for an IS2 to survive 5 hours with 10 P4s hammering away at the front because deflections do nothing.


Statistically possible, but feasible? No way. Besides, it's technically possible for a Pioneer squad to beat a Rifleman squad as well, but realistically? It'll likely never happen. The closest I've seen was in the Relic OKW video where a Pioneer in Green Cover destroyed a Penal Squad charging over Red Cover. I even tried to recreate it (with even more red cover), but was unable to, the Penals won with 4 men of varying health every time. Of course, it's also possible Pioneers had different stats in the OKW video that we didn't know about, but that only supports the argument that it's unlikely to ever happen and thus isn't a realistic concern.
29 Jul 2014, 21:51 PM
#26
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I did! I sacrificed 3 x vet3 Gren squads upgraded with Lmg42 into T34 tanks in honor to the RNG gods but it seems they weren't pleased.
It has to be 3 x vet3 snipers.
29 Jul 2014, 22:01 PM
#27
avatar of WhySooSerious

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Hi all;

I want to discuss about IS-2 frontal armor that in my opinion is too heavy, that means that medium tanks and paks have serious troubles to penetrate it.

In this case, you can see in the video that I find an IS-2 self repairing and can't shoot at me (glitch) but it shows how strong is its frontal armor.
2 Tigers + Pak(vet2) shooting at him seems like tickling him, the help of a jagdtiger was needed to kill the tank (you will see long distance shoots coming from south). It was thanks to the Jagdtiger that we could finish the job. Despite of that, it took over 1 minute to kill an inmobile target with 4 AT cannons.





RNG smiled at you :D
29 Jul 2014, 22:08 PM
#28
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Posts: 2053

I just played a game where several panzerschreck rockets, a panzerfaust, a pak 40, and a stolen m36 all had successful penetrating shots vs an IS-2's frontal armor and destroyed it in 15 seconds. Its all RNG.
29 Jul 2014, 22:16 PM
#29
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@elChino7
@KyleAkira

Shh herejes, science proved that RNGod does not exists.
29 Jul 2014, 23:07 PM
#30
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2014, 11:55 AMArclyte
lol, what is up with that video? I WISH the IS-2 bounced like that

probably using attack-ground


Anyway, IS-2 is fine. It's doctrinal on (realistically) one commander. It's got armor better than a Tiger, but worse than KT / JT, and it takes up 24 pop cap.


Yes, let's deny even evidence that we see with out eyes.




Still, tbh IS2 feels pretty good to play with and to play against. Never seen that b4, just random RNG
29 Jul 2014, 23:12 PM
#31
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it's all about RNG, and these things are so damn game changers
30 Jul 2014, 01:41 AM
#34
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I think the IS2 is fine as is, it feels like a heavy tank, as it should. I just think Tiger underperforms in comparison - less mobility, less armor, slower turret rotation. Similar to the KT, which is not worth it's pricetag.

Also:
it's all about RNG, and these things are so damn game changers

QFT.
30 Jul 2014, 02:02 AM
#35
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Agreed, Tiger needs a slight buff. IS2 will then be fine.


No, it doesn't.

Tiger got superior firepower, IS-2 got superior durability.
And both are not by a long shot.

Both are fine.
30 Jul 2014, 02:15 AM
#37
avatar of Corp.Shephard

Posts: 359

Tiger Penetration is 220/200/180, short, medium, long.

IS-2 Frontal Armor is 375.

Thus Tiger penetration rate at the three ranges: 58.7%/53.3%/48%

Pak40 penetration is 210/200/190. Extremely similar.

You have a better than 50% chance to penetrate the frontal armor of the IS-2 with these weapons at most ranges. You just got incredibly unlucky my friend!

I think these two tanks are pretty much fine.
30 Jul 2014, 15:39 PM
#38
avatar of Greeb

Posts: 971


Russian T 34/76 [...] a pain to kill because their armor values are OP


o_O What the fuck am i reading??

By the way, currently both Tiger and IS2 are fine. Heavy and powerful tanks both with their good and bad points which make them different.
30 Jul 2014, 16:41 PM
#39
avatar of Cardboard Tank

Posts: 978

I just wish the IS-2 got its slower rate of fire and more alpha damage (240) back. The tanks feel way too mirrored with the same damage and similar rof.
30 Jul 2014, 17:11 PM
#40
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Posts: 4928

Agreed, and a moderate increase to coaxial MG DPS to make up for the lower gun DPS (vs infantry). If they did that, it would be perfect.
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