Obersoldaten MG 34 is droppable!

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2014, 18:09 PMBrachiaraidos

Having used obersoldaten, it's the closest thing they currently have to being balanced, I'm all for leaving it in. Guards drop their DP's and PTRS, too, leaving them a glorified and expensive conscript squad. Consider it incentive to use your obers carefully.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2014, 18:15 PMMr. Someguy

The way I see it, this is basically a squad dropping their Vet, and having another squad pick it up and instantly become elite troops. The MG 34 DPS is supposed to represent their skill, having it capturable defeats that purpose and the squad DPS is lower than LMG Grenadiers without it. If they lose their LMG, they become near useless as they can't even take on BAR Rifles confidently. If it's going to be droppable, then it needs to be nerfed heavily and that damage output 'transferred' to their Kar 98's to make up the difference.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2014, 18:22 PMBrachiaraidos

Hardly. They still have armour, a received accuracy modifier, great vet bonuses, grenades, booby traps and the like.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2014, 18:30 PMMr. Someguy

Okay a better example would be a KV-8 somehow dropping it's super-flamethrower. It's a weapon only meant to be used by that unit...

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2014, 18:30 PMMr. Someguy

Okay a better example would be a KV-8 somehow dropping it's super-flamethrower. It's a weapon only meant to be used by that unit. Without it, the unit isn't very effective, while another unit somewhere else suddenly more effective than it could ever become otherwise.

This isn't like a Guard dropping his DP or a Grenadier dropping his MG 42. This is a keystone part of the unit being dropped, possibly being taken by any other unit and becoming the new Obersoldaten.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2014, 18:56 PMMr. Someguy

Guards without AT Rifles can be converted to an AI role instead, which they play better than Conscripts or Penals. Irregulars only have normal MG's and are one of the cheapest infantry units in the game. I never lost an MG on Para's but I assume they can just upgrade to a new one. Obersoldaten without an MG 34 are just not Obersoldaten anymore. Contrary, any unit that does pick it up are granted the magical power of death. Even Rear Echelon with an Ober MG 34 will beat Grenadiers with an MG 42.

I don't think RNG should dictate whether your Obersoldaten retain their ability to fight, or worse, whether your opponent essentially life-steals their ability to fight.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2014, 19:56 PMChegwin

Remove lmg34, bug fixed.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2014, 19:59 PMMr. Someguy

Hope you intend to massively buff Obersoldaten's rifles to make up for it then.