According to statistics there is a difference of penetraccion, pop and prices that do not reflect reality:
AT 53k 45mm-----100.0/80.0/60.0---------200MP 5pop
M1 57 mm---------140.0/125.0/115.0-------270MP 7pop
Rakete43----------200.0/190.0/180.0-------270MP 7pop
ZIS 3---------------200.0/190.0/180.0-------320MP 9pop
Pak 43-------------210.0/200.0/190.0-------320MP 9pop
ATs Price inconsistencies
4 Jul 2014, 15:17 PM
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4 Jul 2014, 15:33 PM
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57mm has great ap round ability from the get go, shoots really fast and vet 1 ability increases its range to 70.
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4 Jul 2014, 15:44 PM
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These guns are all different from one another in more than just penetration values and pricing. They're asymmetrically designed.
A Raketenwefer for example can retreat and garrison buildings.
The 57mm has more penetration, but I believe does less damage. Don't quote me on the second part. It's also a unit that scales with veterancy and has good abilities off the bat.
The ZiS is also an artillery gun.
And so on.
A Raketenwefer for example can retreat and garrison buildings.
The 57mm has more penetration, but I believe does less damage. Don't quote me on the second part. It's also a unit that scales with veterancy and has good abilities off the bat.
The ZiS is also an artillery gun.
And so on.
4 Jul 2014, 15:49 PM
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And... Is there a problem?
All AT weapons have several pros and cons that are not listed. Damage, penetration, cost and upkeep are not the only factors to take into account. There is also rate of fire, special abilities, place in tech tree, types of armor that it is going to be shooting at etc.
All AT weapons have several pros and cons that are not listed. Damage, penetration, cost and upkeep are not the only factors to take into account. There is also rate of fire, special abilities, place in tech tree, types of armor that it is going to be shooting at etc.
4 Jul 2014, 16:06 PM
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Just an observation; it's amazing how much better the Pak43 feels with only an extra 10 penetration. Goes to show you how important those bulletins are.
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4 Jul 2014, 16:17 PM
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The Pak40 feels better because it has a much higher rate of fire than the ZIS-3 gun. The difference in penetration isn't that big of a deal in terms of overall effectiveness.
4 Jul 2014, 16:29 PM
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The 57mm has more penetration, but I believe does less damage. Don't quote me on the second part.
Your wrong on both parts. The op even posts the penetration values and you still go ahead and post that it has more penetration. The default 57mm has less penetration than the R43, Pak40 and ZiS3 but does 160 dmg per shot, the same as all the other AT guns except the M1937 45mm.
Do people just pull unit stats out of their asses or something?
4 Jul 2014, 18:00 PM
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I think the M1 should be the one with more penetration, because it has no heavy tanks and an affordable price
4 Jul 2014, 18:03 PM
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If anything, 45mm doesn't deserve the price higher then 160 with these stats and it definitely doesn't deserve that popcap.
You're paying over 50% of resources for a 30% performance, static PTRS rifle.
You're paying over 50% of resources for a 30% performance, static PTRS rifle.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
4 Jul 2014, 19:35 PM
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Your wrong on both parts. The op even posts the penetration values and you still go ahead and post that it has more penetration. The default 57mm has less penetration than the R43, Pak40 and ZiS3 but does 160 dmg per shot, the same as all the other AT guns except the M1937 45mm.
Do people just pull unit stats out of their asses or something?
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4 Jul 2014, 19:40 PM
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If anything, 45mm doesn't deserve the price higher then 160 with these stats and it definitely doesn't deserve that popcap.
Agreed. Also switch out "Tracking" for "Sprint". Tracking doesn't help this gun, but sprint could allow you to flank or just get into position quicker with it.
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4 Jul 2014, 20:33 PM
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Rate of fire, arc, range, squad size, abilities...
There are a lot more things besides penetration that are important.
There are a lot more things besides penetration that are important.
4 Jul 2014, 20:35 PM
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And survivability. Nobody mentioned that the Raketenwerfer is the only heavy AT Gun with no gun shield.
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4 Jul 2014, 20:43 PM
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And survivability. Nobody mentioned that the Raketenwerfer is the only heavy AT Gun with no gun shield.
Speaking of survivability, its also the only one which can garrison buildings and actually retreat making its survival chance grow well beyond normal AT guns.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
4 Jul 2014, 20:47 PM
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The only thing this shallow comparison highlights is that 45mm really is rather trash. I'd like to have it get some kind of love, especially because all the Commanders that it's with are also pretty bad.
Perhaps a rate of fire increase, that would make sense and differ it from the other AT guns.
Perhaps a rate of fire increase, that would make sense and differ it from the other AT guns.
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