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LOL wtf? Balance ruined. GG Relic.

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â¢Tiger command point cost from 10 to 11
â¢Tiger Ace command point cost from 14 to 15
â¢Elefant command point cost from 11 to 12
â¢IS-2 command point cost from 10 to 11
â¢ISU-152 command point cost from 11 to 12
â¢KV-2 command point cost from 11 to 12
â¢StuG III E command point cost from 5 to 6

All of these make sense apart from the STUG E

Note that the KV1 and KV8 don't get changed

Infantry

Ostruppen get normal capture rate

MG42 tweaked to be less good up close

G43 less uber but better on the move

Rifle Grenade now more expensive

Grens now pop 7 not 6

Pios nerfed

CEs buffed

Cons better at range and on the move

Iregualrs slightly more expensive and affected by LMG changes

Guards now pop 7 not 8

Guards shoot better on the move

DP28 now has same stats as the MG42 and slightly cheaper

PTRS slightly less long range

I like all this so far

Bliztkrieg/Overdrive

This now affects acceleration not top speed if I understand right

So it's a "get out of there fast" not "circle strafe at warp speed"

Ram

Ramâ¢Currently, ram is being used as a crowd control measure to disable other vehicles. The intent isnât for a full health T34 to ram other vehicles; instead, ram should be used when the T34 is near death to highlight its usage as a last resort type ability.â¢No longer causes instant main gun destroyed critical
â¢Now has a chance to cause one of the follow criticals to occur: light engine damage, heavy engine damage, immobilization, or main gun destroyed. The chance is weighed such that light engine damage has the highest occurrence where main gun destroyed has the lowest.

Don't know if that means to the rammer or the rammee

Mark Vehicle

â¢These changes prevent an issue where units could be destroyed in 1 or 2 hits from multiple marked targets on the enemy vehicle applying simultaneously. It also reduces the impact of the ability as we felt it provided too great an advantage to Soviet armor in the previous state.â¢No longer stacks multiple times
â¢Reduced bonus damage modifier from 50% to 35%

My partisans will be upset

Weapon Teams

Previously, weapon teams would receive +25% more damage from all sources. This modifier has been replaced with a +25% received accuracy value. Tank fire and grenades will be less effective vs. weapon teams as a result; small arms fire remains relatively unchanged.

So tanks less good at fighting ATGs

Good

105 and 152 guns fire smaller barrages more often with larger crew sizes

Pak 40 and Zis upped

PAK43 boosted generally but less pen, given hold fire and less pop cost

B4 more like ISU152

No comment on artillery, changes to ATGs welcome

HMG teams now act as a soft counter to light vehicles. This diversified the tactics available to players when encountering heavy use of light vehicles in the early game.

Good

MG42 and Maxim have better pen

Dishka much better pen but less damage and cheeper

If only it was not in a terrible commander

45mm more accurate

Still won't get used

Vehicle Top Gunner
Increased damage output of vehicle top gunners, previously the upgrade added little value to the unit. The cost has been increased to better account for the value of this upgrade.

Vehicle Modifications
A number of modifications were made to medium and heavy vehicles to better align the units relative to one another. German vehicle penetration tended to be fairly high, resulting in a devaluation of Soviet armor values. These changes also seek to solidify unit roles and remove any ineffective units from the game

Here it comes...

AOE Profilesâ¢Very similar to the changes made to grenade AOE profiles. Long and mid-range AOE no longer has a chance to miss its target, the weapon profile damage has been averaged out to compensate. Slight adjustments to AOE radius or distance values were made on a number of vehicles to better align them with their intended performance.

Mobilityâ¢The goal was to better distinguish light, medium and heavy vehicles from one another. By increasing the applicable speed range, we can better define light vehicle mobility relative to heavier units. Vehicle acceleration has also been adjusted to accomplish this goal.â¢Increased max speed by 1.2, tuned rotation to ensure smooth pathing

â¢Negative cover from 1.4x to 1.5x max speed; vehicles move faster on roads
â¢Adjusted vehicle terrain performance based on type. For example, vehicles with tracks can move through heavy and light cover easier than wheeled vehicles.
â¢Acceleration is now properly functioning within the game; previously, vehicles incorrectly used deceleration to define the rate at which they accelerated, resulting in near instant max speed.

Vehicle Penetrationâ¢Vehicle penetration is now based on distance to target. High velocity weapons have a lower drop off than low velocity. High explosive weapons do not drop off over distance.

Some things that were speculated and some that were not

Vehicle Criticalsâ¢Engine damage criticals will only occur on the front or rear armor of a vehicle depending on engine position. For example, a Panzer IV no longer receives an engine critical if hit from the front. However, this does not impact weapons like the AT grenade which force criticals. Main gun destroyed criticals function in a similar manner, a SU-85 can no longer gain a main gun destroyed from a rear penetrating shot.
â¢Rear armor hits now display a kicker to indicate to the player that the enemy tank has been exposed; similar to Company of Heroes.

Ok

222 less armour, less MP more fuel

PIV more armour

Ostwind slightly buffed and cheeper

STUG G AT nerfed, AI buffed and cheeper

STUG E, now the same health and armour as G, more expensive

Now I see why it has been pushed back a CP

Panther, better pen, less health less MP more fuel

Brummbar, more armour, more pen, less MP, more fuel

Panzerwefer, longer cool down

Artillery seems to have been changed a lot but no one was talking about it?

â¢Heavy armor saw an increase in performance to better highlight its tech placement. When a player transitions from light to medium armor, there is a very clear differentiation in the power of medium vehicles vs. light. This change better highlights the transition from medium to heavy while still retaining the role of medium vehicles in the late game

Tiger rear armour lowered, less MP more fuel

Elephant, better pen, less heath, has hold fire

M3, better pen on the front, less MP more fuel more health

M5 better pen

T70 better armour, more MP, more fuel

That's unexpected

T34-76â¢The goal was to improve the anti-armor capacity of the T34 to open up the number of viable strategies available to Soviets. We wanted to improve the appeal of the third building by reducing its dependence on additional anti-tank units. Relative to the Panzer IV, the T34 will lose the majority of engagements unless it is able to capitalize on its superior mobility. However, the T34 outperforms the Panzer IV against soft targets. The previously low armor of the T34 provided it very little protection against most German anti-tank sources; the increase to 150 significantly changes this relationship.

So, more potent all round and slightly more expensive

T34 85 slightly better AT and more expensive

SU76 slightly better AT but more expensive and less durable

SU85 less armour, slightly better AT and more expensive. Has hold fire

IS2 better at the front, less rear armour, better pen, less damage, slightly cheaper

ISU152 buffed all round save mobility and less MP

KV1, tweaked into roll as under T34

KV8, less health

KV2, better pen and rear armour, less damage, much more MP, less fuel

That will hurt it given that is only in SI

Katusha

High recharge time

Pacing and Tech Progression
The higher cost on the T70 and SU-76 this update meant that a lower cost on T3 and T4 could be implemented.

Tankoviy Battalion Commandâ¢Manpower cost from 275 to 240
â¢Fuel from 140 to 120
Mechanized Armor Kampaneyaâ¢Manpower cost from 275 to 240
â¢Fuel from 140 to 120

Ok

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Some things no one was talking about (artillery)

But changes to infantry and tanks seem to be what people wanted, German armour especially now costs more fuel giving an incentive to keep infantry in the late game (or spam cargo trucks)

Soviet armour seems a lot better, and the units that really need hold fire have finally got it

Looking foward to this

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Some tank changes are strange, almost all vehicles and tanks lost some HP and damage and increase in armor and penetration.

I dont understand why IS-2 got it's damage reduced since it's reload is still very high.

Why T34-76 got reload increase, it's useless by now, and T34-85 haven't changed.

I really have bad feeling about this new patch

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If this shit isn't an April fool joke, okay.
GG, Papaland, you did well in April.

Triple nerf on Gren and Blitz = removed, nerf in P4, Tiger and StuG, already useless LefH NERF.

Why don't you just remove Ostheer and give us West German now?

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23 Apr 2014, 18:06 PMBartonPL

Why T34-76 got reload increase, it's useless by now, and T34-85 haven't changed.

The increased armour and penetration as well as main gun damage on the T34-76 still means it's useless?

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23 Apr 2014, 18:06 PMBartonPL

Some tank changes are strange, almost all vehicles and tanks lost some HP and damage and increase in armor and penetration.

I dont understand why IS-2 got it's damage reduced since it's reload is still very high.

Why T34-76 got reload increase, it's useless by now, and T34-85 haven't changed.

I really have bad feeling about this new patch

Bartons face after playing patch.

Failure is always an option.

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Rifle-grenade cost increased to better align it with similar grenades, such as the RGD-42 which cost 30 munitions. Although the rifle-grenade has a greater range than the RGD-42, its explosive radius is smaller and less lethal.

Rifle-grenade munition cost from 25 to 30

Weapon Teams

Previously, weapon teams would receive +25% more damage from all sources. This modifier has been replaced with a +25% received accuracy value. Tank fire and grenades will be less effective vs. weapon teams as a result; small arms fire remains relatively unchanged.

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These two changes combined should help reduce the insane performance of rifle grenades vs. Maxims.

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How come Pak43 got hold-fire but Pak 40 and Zis didn't?

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You guys have to realise armoured combat works entirely different now.

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Barton can't understand swenglish

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23 Apr 2014, 18:31 PMIpKaiFung

The increased armour and penetration as well as main gun damage on the T34-76 still means it's useless?

each german armour got p;enetration buff, even Pak40, so armor increase on T34/76 doesnt mean much, penetration and damage increase might change the thing but 2 sec reload increase is too much for this tank

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23 Apr 2014, 18:18 PMPorygon

If this shit isn't an April fool joke, okay.
GG, Papaland, you did well in April.

Triple nerf on Gren and Blitz = removed, nerf in P4, Tiger and StuG, already useless LefH NERF.

Why don't you just remove Ostheer and give us West German now?

Yes this is a huge step back from the perfect ostheer balance we have now.

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This is probably the missing piece of the pie to truely understand the changes

Vehicle Penetration
Vehicle penetration is now based on distance to target. High velocity weapons have a lower drop off than low velocity. High explosive weapons do not drop off over distance.

and

AOE Profiles
Very similar to the changes made to grenade AOE profiles. Long and mid-range AOE no longer has a chance to miss its target, the weapon profile damage has been averaged out to compensate. Slight adjustments to AOE radius or distance values were made on a number of vehicles to better align them with their intended performance.

So not sure what weapon profiles the armor has because evidently that makes a diff.

I agree though adding armor to the T34/76 and it still gets pen by just about everything frontally at their optimal ranges. But maybe better at the longest ranges and against different weapons.

5 Mar 2015, 21:57 PMREforever

The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.

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Weaker StuGs for 80 fuel? Fuel increase on the T-34? Now Germans spam assault guns against some T-34? This is pretty much the opposite direction it should be.

Oh and I´m probably not going to build a Panther any longer. I shit on lousy 10% more armor and normal hp only after vet 2. Better to go T3 instead and swarm the enemy with even more easily killable StuGs.

And as if an IS-2 and ISU-152 shooting every 10 seconds wasn´t ridiculous enough, their reload times goes down even further!

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フンッ！逃げるつもりかい！！
422
316
.572
+2

                    

                        1.
-虎贲-快樂的小蝸牛-HOI-
831
222
.789
+37
2.
MoronPark_Cat YE
349
57
.860
+14
3.
若批评不自由，则赞美无意义
1109
614
.644
+10
4.
渣渣！反了他！欧布艹了你爸!气死偶嘞
608
220
.734
+2
5.
ker_141
276
108
.719
+27
6.
vonLewinski
305
114
.728
+1
7.
Bober
916
405
.693
-2
8.
阿萨塔
722
440
.621
+4
9.
cblanco ★
261
137
.656
+2
10.
Искусство ZZ
1041
674
.607
-2

                    

                        1.
☞ ps3YES ☜
2014
1083
.650
+9
2.
IncaUna
569
354
.616
-1
3.
HazardousMoose
427
271
.612
+2
4.
DIRTY_FINISHER
1677
922
.645
+2
5.
[虎贲] Leng Mo
118
49
.707
+9
6.
TheMeowGamer
101
36
.737
+4
7.
Flap
434
208
.676
+3
8.
✠Kaiser✠ PERVITIN
189
101
.652
+1
9.
【Clannad】
209
68
.755
+7
10.
André
288
121
.704
-1

                    

                        1.
Thales
755
286
.725
+3
2.
Peppa
215
90
.705
+18
3.
Jerry
169
48
.779
-1
4.
Remder
603
178
.772
+3
5.
Restzeit
1015
554
.647
+6
6.
André
981
427
.697
+3
7.
Riiiiina
324
127
.718
+12
8.
★Osas
359
155
.698
-1
9.
Ovidiu
1428
715
.666
-1
10.
SoE-Sturmpanther
360
59
.859
+2

                    

                        1.
玛丽猫猫
568
415
.578
+2
2.
Tharrats
776
618
.557
+6
3.
Shrimp
232
122
.655
+2
4.
BATTLEDANNY1
398
285
.583
+1
5.
黎霏洺
311
206
.602
+2
6.
ukill
194
157
.553
+10
7.
一个坏人
133
47
.739
+3
8.
King of Lee
239
169
.586
+5
9.
Puppetmaster
250
135
.649
+1
10.
Pelta
197
159
.553
+1

                    

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