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LOL wtf? Balance ruined. GG Relic.

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Call Ins
â¢Tiger command point cost from 10 to 11
â¢Tiger Ace command point cost from 14 to 15
â¢Elefant command point cost from 11 to 12
â¢IS-2 command point cost from 10 to 11
â¢ISU-152 command point cost from 11 to 12
â¢KV-2 command point cost from 11 to 12
â¢StuG III E command point cost from 5 to 6

All of these make sense apart from the STUG E

Note that the KV1 and KV8 don't get changed

Infantry

Ostruppen get normal capture rate

MG42 tweaked to be less good up close

G43 less uber but better on the move

Rifle Grenade now more expensive

Grens now pop 7 not 6

Pios nerfed

CEs buffed

Cons better at range and on the move

Iregualrs slightly more expensive and affected by LMG changes

Guards now pop 7 not 8

Guards shoot better on the move

DP28 now has same stats as the MG42 and slightly cheaper

PTRS slightly less long range

I like all this so far

Bliztkrieg/Overdrive

This now affects acceleration not top speed if I understand right

So it's a "get out of there fast" not "circle strafe at warp speed"

Ram

Ramâ¢Currently, ram is being used as a crowd control measure to disable other vehicles. The intent isnât for a full health T34 to ram other vehicles; instead, ram should be used when the T34 is near death to highlight its usage as a last resort type ability.â¢No longer causes instant main gun destroyed critical
â¢Now has a chance to cause one of the follow criticals to occur: light engine damage, heavy engine damage, immobilization, or main gun destroyed. The chance is weighed such that light engine damage has the highest occurrence where main gun destroyed has the lowest.

Don't know if that means to the rammer or the rammee

Mark Vehicle

â¢These changes prevent an issue where units could be destroyed in 1 or 2 hits from multiple marked targets on the enemy vehicle applying simultaneously. It also reduces the impact of the ability as we felt it provided too great an advantage to Soviet armor in the previous state.â¢No longer stacks multiple times
â¢Reduced bonus damage modifier from 50% to 35%

My partisans will be upset

Weapon Teams

Previously, weapon teams would receive +25% more damage from all sources. This modifier has been replaced with a +25% received accuracy value. Tank fire and grenades will be less effective vs. weapon teams as a result; small arms fire remains relatively unchanged.

So tanks less good at fighting ATGs

Good

105 and 152 guns fire smaller barrages more often with larger crew sizes

Pak 40 and Zis upped

PAK43 boosted generally but less pen, given hold fire and less pop cost

B4 more like ISU152

No comment on artillery, changes to ATGs welcome

HMG teams now act as a soft counter to light vehicles. This diversified the tactics available to players when encountering heavy use of light vehicles in the early game.

Good

MG42 and Maxim have better pen

Dishka much better pen but less damage and cheeper

If only it was not in a terrible commander

45mm more accurate

Still won't get used

Vehicle Top Gunner
Increased damage output of vehicle top gunners, previously the upgrade added little value to the unit. The cost has been increased to better account for the value of this upgrade.

Vehicle Modifications
A number of modifications were made to medium and heavy vehicles to better align the units relative to one another. German vehicle penetration tended to be fairly high, resulting in a devaluation of Soviet armor values. These changes also seek to solidify unit roles and remove any ineffective units from the game

Here it comes...

AOE Profilesâ¢Very similar to the changes made to grenade AOE profiles. Long and mid-range AOE no longer has a chance to miss its target, the weapon profile damage has been averaged out to compensate. Slight adjustments to AOE radius or distance values were made on a number of vehicles to better align them with their intended performance.

Mobilityâ¢The goal was to better distinguish light, medium and heavy vehicles from one another. By increasing the applicable speed range, we can better define light vehicle mobility relative to heavier units. Vehicle acceleration has also been adjusted to accomplish this goal.â¢Increased max speed by 1.2, tuned rotation to ensure smooth pathing

â¢Negative cover from 1.4x to 1.5x max speed; vehicles move faster on roads
â¢Adjusted vehicle terrain performance based on type. For example, vehicles with tracks can move through heavy and light cover easier than wheeled vehicles.
â¢Acceleration is now properly functioning within the game; previously, vehicles incorrectly used deceleration to define the rate at which they accelerated, resulting in near instant max speed.

Vehicle Penetrationâ¢Vehicle penetration is now based on distance to target. High velocity weapons have a lower drop off than low velocity. High explosive weapons do not drop off over distance.

Some things that were speculated and some that were not

Vehicle Criticalsâ¢Engine damage criticals will only occur on the front or rear armor of a vehicle depending on engine position. For example, a Panzer IV no longer receives an engine critical if hit from the front. However, this does not impact weapons like the AT grenade which force criticals. Main gun destroyed criticals function in a similar manner, a SU-85 can no longer gain a main gun destroyed from a rear penetrating shot.
â¢Rear armor hits now display a kicker to indicate to the player that the enemy tank has been exposed; similar to Company of Heroes.

Ok

222 less armour, less MP more fuel

PIV more armour

Ostwind slightly buffed and cheeper

STUG G AT nerfed, AI buffed and cheeper

STUG E, now the same health and armour as G, more expensive

Now I see why it has been pushed back a CP

Panther, better pen, less health less MP more fuel

Brummbar, more armour, more pen, less MP, more fuel

Panzerwefer, longer cool down

Artillery seems to have been changed a lot but no one was talking about it?

â¢Heavy armor saw an increase in performance to better highlight its tech placement. When a player transitions from light to medium armor, there is a very clear differentiation in the power of medium vehicles vs. light. This change better highlights the transition from medium to heavy while still retaining the role of medium vehicles in the late game

Tiger rear armour lowered, less MP more fuel

Elephant, better pen, less heath, has hold fire

M3, better pen on the front, less MP more fuel more health

M5 better pen

T70 better armour, more MP, more fuel

That's unexpected

T34-76â¢The goal was to improve the anti-armor capacity of the T34 to open up the number of viable strategies available to Soviets. We wanted to improve the appeal of the third building by reducing its dependence on additional anti-tank units. Relative to the Panzer IV, the T34 will lose the majority of engagements unless it is able to capitalize on its superior mobility. However, the T34 outperforms the Panzer IV against soft targets. The previously low armor of the T34 provided it very little protection against most German anti-tank sources; the increase to 150 significantly changes this relationship.

So, more potent all round and slightly more expensive

T34 85 slightly better AT and more expensive

SU76 slightly better AT but more expensive and less durable

SU85 less armour, slightly better AT and more expensive. Has hold fire

IS2 better at the front, less rear armour, better pen, less damage, slightly cheaper

ISU152 buffed all round save mobility and less MP

KV1, tweaked into roll as under T34

KV8, less health

KV2, better pen and rear armour, less damage, much more MP, less fuel

That will hurt it given that is only in SI

Katusha

High recharge time

Pacing and Tech Progression
The higher cost on the T70 and SU-76 this update meant that a lower cost on T3 and T4 could be implemented.

Tankoviy Battalion Commandâ¢Manpower cost from 275 to 240
â¢Fuel from 140 to 120
Mechanized Armor Kampaneyaâ¢Manpower cost from 275 to 240
â¢Fuel from 140 to 120

Ok

+++++++++++++++++

Some things no one was talking about (artillery)

But changes to infantry and tanks seem to be what people wanted, German armour especially now costs more fuel giving an incentive to keep infantry in the late game (or spam cargo trucks)

Soviet armour seems a lot better, and the units that really need hold fire have finally got it

Looking foward to this

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Some tank changes are strange, almost all vehicles and tanks lost some HP and damage and increase in armor and penetration.

I dont understand why IS-2 got it's damage reduced since it's reload is still very high.

Why T34-76 got reload increase, it's useless by now, and T34-85 haven't changed.

I really have bad feeling about this new patch

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If this shit isn't an April fool joke, okay.
GG, Papaland, you did well in April.

Triple nerf on Gren and Blitz = removed, nerf in P4, Tiger and StuG, already useless LefH NERF.

Why don't you just remove Ostheer and give us West German now?

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23 Apr 2014, 18:06 PMBartonPL

Why T34-76 got reload increase, it's useless by now, and T34-85 haven't changed.

The increased armour and penetration as well as main gun damage on the T34-76 still means it's useless?

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23 Apr 2014, 18:06 PMBartonPL

Some tank changes are strange, almost all vehicles and tanks lost some HP and damage and increase in armor and penetration.

I dont understand why IS-2 got it's damage reduced since it's reload is still very high.

Why T34-76 got reload increase, it's useless by now, and T34-85 haven't changed.

I really have bad feeling about this new patch

Bartons face after playing patch.

Failure is always an option.

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Rifle-grenade cost increased to better align it with similar grenades, such as the RGD-42 which cost 30 munitions. Although the rifle-grenade has a greater range than the RGD-42, its explosive radius is smaller and less lethal.

Rifle-grenade munition cost from 25 to 30

Weapon Teams

Previously, weapon teams would receive +25% more damage from all sources. This modifier has been replaced with a +25% received accuracy value. Tank fire and grenades will be less effective vs. weapon teams as a result; small arms fire remains relatively unchanged.

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These two changes combined should help reduce the insane performance of rifle grenades vs. Maxims.

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How come Pak43 got hold-fire but Pak 40 and Zis didn't?

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You guys have to realise armoured combat works entirely different now.

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Barton can't understand swenglish

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23 Apr 2014, 18:31 PMIpKaiFung

The increased armour and penetration as well as main gun damage on the T34-76 still means it's useless?

each german armour got p;enetration buff, even Pak40, so armor increase on T34/76 doesnt mean much, penetration and damage increase might change the thing but 2 sec reload increase is too much for this tank

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23 Apr 2014, 18:18 PMPorygon

If this shit isn't an April fool joke, okay.
GG, Papaland, you did well in April.

Triple nerf on Gren and Blitz = removed, nerf in P4, Tiger and StuG, already useless LefH NERF.

Why don't you just remove Ostheer and give us West German now?

Yes this is a huge step back from the perfect ostheer balance we have now.

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This is probably the missing piece of the pie to truely understand the changes

Vehicle Penetration
Vehicle penetration is now based on distance to target. High velocity weapons have a lower drop off than low velocity. High explosive weapons do not drop off over distance.

and

AOE Profiles
Very similar to the changes made to grenade AOE profiles. Long and mid-range AOE no longer has a chance to miss its target, the weapon profile damage has been averaged out to compensate. Slight adjustments to AOE radius or distance values were made on a number of vehicles to better align them with their intended performance.

So not sure what weapon profiles the armor has because evidently that makes a diff.

I agree though adding armor to the T34/76 and it still gets pen by just about everything frontally at their optimal ranges. But maybe better at the longest ranges and against different weapons.

5 Mar 2015, 21:57 PMREforever

The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.

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Weaker StuGs for 80 fuel? Fuel increase on the T-34? Now Germans spam assault guns against some T-34? This is pretty much the opposite direction it should be.

Oh and I´m probably not going to build a Panther any longer. I shit on lousy 10% more armor and normal hp only after vet 2. Better to go T3 instead and swarm the enemy with even more easily killable StuGs.

And as if an IS-2 and ISU-152 shooting every 10 seconds wasn´t ridiculous enough, their reload times goes down even further!

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-3

                    

                        1.
DIRTY_FINISHER
2692
1455
.649
-1
2.
TRI1091
475
195
.709
+3
3.
☞ ps3YES ☜
938
386
.708
+3
4.
[SNAD] TheMeowGamer
136
68
.667
+5
5.
Aljosa - Ibuprofen  [BOBER]
127
45
.738
+1
6.
CrossFire- JellyBelly
1045
381
.733
+1
7.
Pioneer
191
100
.656
+2
8.
William H. Harrison
511
209
.710
+9
9.
BatON
1188
785
.602
+4
10.
gardening lelic
912
478
.656
+6

                    

                        1.
SFC. LEE ッ
3351
1080
.756
+10
2.
★DEFEKTOJIOG★
65
13
.833
+1
3.
Zsirbacsi
97
39
.713
-1
4.
JOE
1242
752
.623
-2
5.
Oorah!
352
152
.698
+2
6.
遇到狗就输
696
403
.633
-1
7.
계엄령
733
399
.648
+1
8.
Sumi
351
303
.537
-2
9.
125656923
275
198
.581
+4
10.
itsjomal
111
45
.712
+1

                    

                        1.
godjaemin
395
284
.582
+5
2.
卡提希娅高手
894
743
.546
+1
3.
BeRyan
1525
1206
.558
+4
4.
铃儿响叮当
405
259
.610
-1
5.
King of Lee
781
588
.570
+6
6.
White pigs delete the game
239
125
.657
+1
7.
Paddeiguaner
54
28
.659
+2
8.
末逝
354
232
.604
+7
9.
Brown
173
75
.698
+1
10.
CNposition
330
217
.603
+1

                    

                        1.
MoronPark_Cat YE
431
63
.872
+9
2.
джинь
594
82
.879
+8
3.
Boomerwaffen
800
454
.638
-1
4.
Kumatsuhara Nyganomiyakishi
132
44
.750
+6
5.
오리야꽥꽥해
286
162
.638
+4
6.
Aljosa - Ibuprofen  [BOBER]
181
51
.780
+4
7.
vonLewinski
313
114
.733
+9
8.
小鱼干
177
73
.708
+3
9.
miGOTE
374
255
.595
-2
10.
sweetchino
140
59
.704
+7

                    

                        1.
Aljosa - Ibuprofen  [BOBER]
286
169
.629
+2
2.
DIRTY_FINISHER
1704
928
.647
+4
3.
Burden
168
61
.734
+4
4.
CrossFire- JellyBelly
1002
300
.770
+4
5.
☞ ps3YES ☜
2031
1096
.650
+1
6.
yox
63
21
.750
-1
7.
[SNAD] TheMeowGamer
119
40
.748
+9
8.
【Clannad】
216
69
.758
+2
9.
ywgzh
107
34
.759
-1
10.
Solmeer
171
72
.704
+1

                    

                        1.
Thales
802
297
.730
-1
2.
Remder
636
186
.774
+6
3.
계엄령
1592
782
.671
-2
4.
Riiiiina
328
127
.721
+16
5.
BATTLEDANNY1
103
27
.792
+1
6.
★DEFEKTOJIOG★
120
51
.702
+1
7.
Ovidiu
1547
773
.667
+3
8.
SoE-Sturmpanther
369
62
.856
-1
9.
Califax
463
196
.703
-2
10.
TaLa
273
168
.619
+1

                    

                        1.
BeRyan
971
647
.600
+7
2.
死者为大
411
188
.686
+8
3.
卡提希娅高手
614
431
.588
+8
4.
ukill
262
190
.580
+1
5.
开图炸房死一户口本
140
60
.700
+1
6.
BATTLEDANNY1
431
302
.588
+7
7.
Starry sky
851
644
.569
+4
8.
铃儿响叮当
351
227
.607
+2
9.
m249
689
773
.471
-1
10.
日出时让恋爱终结
1459
1332
.523
+7

                    

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