What is up with the pzkpfw V Panther ?
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Or you should start playing some lottery asap.
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Since the mine took down only 200 health, you still need to shoot 4 times with an IS-2, since after the first three hits it still has 40 health left. So unless you can actually make use of the other effect, the damaged engine of the Panther, it won't have any consequence in this situation.
Other than that, both tanks should be able to win depending on who is luckier if both shoot from the front. Usually the IS2 should have the better odds though. Especially if you can shoot it in the back armor, since the Panther will be always penetrated from the back armor, whereas the same cannot be said the other way around.
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What you say is mathematically not possible.
Or you should start playing some lottery asap.
You need to look at the numbers. It's very much mathematically possible. And it's not even that unlikely to happen.
At Chris: The Panther is a tank destroyer with a turret. It's very good at killing tanks, but it's one of the worst tanks for killing infantry.
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Was your panther vet 2? if so it's upped frontal armor will bounce shots from an IS2 pretty consistently.No he wasn´t he comes fresh on the field
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You need to look at the numbers. It's very much mathematically possible. And it's not even that unlikely to happen.
At Chris: The Panther is a tank destroyer with a turret. It's very good at killing tanks, but it's one of the worst tanks for killing infantry.
I'm speaking from experience and basing it on stats.
IS-2 can handle healthy panther, it will loose most health, but will win.
There is no way to loose IS-2 to a panther that drove over a mine, unless soviet player was most unlucky player in CoH2.
Healthy vet1 panther will eat IS-2 alife, but damaged with engine damage simply can not, unless IS is weak already.
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....? 3 su 85s focus firing on one panther will eat it alive then work on the second just as easy. Long before 2 can do enough damage to one Su 85. Also is2 can be beat by a panther but a panther can do very little/no vs inf. Give panther is2 anti infantry ability and you can have your is2 anti tank ability.
Yea i Need 3 su in an effective position this is 345 fuel for 145 ... but su is effective VS Panther but i talking about Is 2
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....? 3 su 85s focus firing on one panther will eat it alive then work on the second just as easy. Long before 2 can do enough damage to one Su 85. Also is2 can be beat by a panther but a panther can do very little/no vs inf. Give panther is2 anti infantry ability and you can have your is2 anti tank ability.
Yea i Need 3 su in an effective position this is 345 fuel for 145 ... but su is effective VS Panther but i talking about Is 2
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You wouldn't expect a Brummbar (AI tank) to beat an Su-85 (AT tank) despite the Brummbar costing more. The cost of the tank does not necessarily correlate to how good it is against other tanks, you really have to look at that tank's role.
Panther = AT tank, so don't try and fight it with other tanks, except for SU-85s because SU-85s beat everything except Elefants.
IS-2 = AI tank, use it to fight off infantry and AT guns, not other tanks.
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I wouldn't go as far as to say the IS-2 primarily AI, I'd say it's a generalist heavy tank. It can go toe to toe with a Panther or Tiger and sometimes come out on top, but with much more powerful anti infantry capabilities than either of those. It also dominates all German medium armor.
Hm, I may have been unclear in my initial post.
Basically, from my experience, the IS-2 is really, really good against infantry while only decent (for its cost) against enemy tanks, which is why I tend to view it as being primarily an AI tank. It just lacks the penetration/rate of fire to be truly effective against anything heavier than a Pz4.
I was just trying to point out/inform the OP that he shouldn't really expect an IS-2 to dominate a Panther, since Panthers are supposed to be tank killers. Sure the IS-2 has a decent chance to beat a lone Panther simply because the IS-2 is so much heavier/more expensive, but more than one Panther or a supported Panther is probably a losing battle for the IS-2.
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It really needs a more effective counter.
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The panther really needs to be rebalanced. Almost all teamgames end with germans just spamming them non-stop and there really isn't anything the soviets can do even though it's such an obvious and cheap tactic.
It really needs a more effective counter.
That is because soviets have nothing like PaK43 to keep overly spammed armor in check.
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That is because soviets have nothing like PaK43 to keep overly spammed armor in check.
God forbid you getting SU85?
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The panther really needs to be rebalanced. Almost all teamgames end with germans just spamming them non-stop and there really isn't anything the soviets can do even though it's such an obvious and cheap tactic.
It really needs a more effective counter.
This. Germans spam them then vet them (Elite Commander) to vet 1. This allows them to switch on their lolocopter turbo drive, swarm through ZiS / SU-85 positions and go apeshit killing everything.
Every team game I play ends up doing this. I make SU85s, lay demo charges and mines and it still doesn't stop the Panther horde. I haven't seen a PIV for a while now.
I think a slight fuel hike for the panther would be fair, it really is a great breakthrough tank even if it's AI isn't all that. Against AT guns and vehicles it is superb.
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I've had times when the panther doesn't penetrate. You got lucky just accept it.
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In short, the problem is not the panther, but the reason panthers are so critical.
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