The high health unit problem

Jump back to quoted post14 Jan 2014, 22:54 PMPaRaNo1a

I think they changed it cause of the Rifle vs Volks reason. I mean its not that hard to get into close range. And if for example you imply it into CoH2 you will have Grens>cons long range and Cons>Grens close range, but then again Cons have oorah, which I believe will make cons OP since they will be able to close in to Grens way too fast meaning the DPS output of Grens would be lower in the whole fight than that of Cons. But I agree the current state where you don`t know if you gonna win the fight or not even if you were in green cover from the start totally frustrates me. I suppose if they lower the armor of all units by 50% this would change somehow?

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2014, 15:49 PMBartonPL

in CoH1 a cover had a great factor on units because they were dying much faster with lower health units. Rifles crossing red cover were usually losing like 2-3 man in few secs, in CoH2 cons will lose maybe one guy and will reach enemy units.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jan 2014, 22:46 PMMarcus2389

The problem is that the armor system is heavily affected by RNG, which is noticeable especially on units like Snipers and which causes fights to be unpredictable (Grenadiers vs Conscripts anyone?)

I am honestly full of bringing COH1 as example but at least you had a clear and understandable situation: rifles > volks short range and volks > rifles long range, and RNG had a minor impact on that specific matchup to a point where, after many years, we could easily generalize what I just wrote.

In COH2 I'm feeling it's totally random and out of player control, sometimes you see your troops in green cover getting charged by the enemy, who moves in red cover, gets into your cover and kills your units forcing you to retreat.

Other times you totally shred the enemy squad. It's simply incosistent and for this reason I am personally not liking it and I would much more prefer a system were units roles are a bit more defined and where RNG has way less impact on infantry combat.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2014, 09:53 AMGustavGans

I completely agree. The unpredictable outcome of infantry engagements is a serious issue that adds nothing but frustration to the game.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2014, 19:24 PMKatitof

Unpredictable how?
Unit in better cover wins.
If not, unit with better weapon/armor wins.
If not, unit that hit with nade wins.
Rifles win over SMG at long range, loose at short range.
Scripts equal grenadiers in same cover, grenadiers got advantage in heavy cover when both squads are in one.

No rocket science here, no randomness.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2014, 20:20 PMxSakox

Except super one hitting random critical headshots....

Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2014, 20:20 PMxSakox

Except super one hitting random critical headshots....

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2014, 17:30 PMsluzbenik

The problem is that high health units are naturally much more friendly to lower-skilled players. As they require less micro, they are able to let less skilled players draw games out more than they would otherwise be able to, and sometimes even win against higher skilled players.


Basically all these high health units make the game less competitive.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2014, 00:23 AMCieZ

Uhhh. Shocks have the same hp as all other infantry except snipers... it is their armor that makes them so resilient to small arms fire but they die to flames, mines, grenades, snipers and explosions just the same. Even nerfing health on tanks is a bad idea. Only thing wrong with heavy tanks is that they unlock too soon which makes not teching such a viable option. Push them back and teching will be important again. The game is in a pretty good state outside of 1 cp guards/shocks and such early heavy tanks.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2014, 12:20 PMLe Wish

Very much agree on the lack of tech. Each game now seems to just be a wait for callins. :/

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2014, 22:23 PMZombiFrancis

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the effects of cover completely nullified when units are within a certain range of each other?