this dlc for ally is pay to win, for axis is pay to lose

• What do you mean by "pay to win" and "pay to lose"? Can you explain how the DLC changes the balance of power between the factions?
  
  
• In your opinion, what makes a faction "stronger" or "weaker" in a game like this? Is it just about raw power or are there other factors like strategy, positioning, and unit synergy?
  
  
• You mention that the Pershing has the highest speed of 7.02. Do you think speed alone makes it superior to other units? If so, why? Furthermore, how does this speed contribute to the overall balance of the game?
  
  
• Could there be other factors, beyond speed, that make the Pershing more effective than other vehicles? What about its durability, firepower, or strategic versatility?
  
  
• In the context of historical accuracy, do you think the speed of the Pershing is realistic for the unit's role during World War 2? How might this affect the game's balance?
  
  
• You said that the Axis faction experiences "pay to lose." What specific mechanics in the DLC make the Axis factions feel weaker? Is it a result of poor design or does it reflect an imbalance between factions?
  
  
• How would you define fairness in a strategy game? Do you think the inclusion of DLCs that alter faction power affects the game's fairness, or do you think it’s more about how players adapt to the changes?
  
  
• How does the introduction of paid content influence the long-term viability of the game? Does it motivate players to strategize more and increase player engagement, or does it create frustration and turn players away?
  
  
• Do you think the game’s designers intended for one side to be stronger than the other, or was there a specific purpose behind the decision to make the Allies more powerful in this DLC?
  
  
• Could it be possible that the perception of imbalance is subjective, depending on playstyle? In what ways might different players interpret the strength of the factions differently?
  
  
• Are there ways to counter the perceived advantages of the Pershing, or does the current design lack sufficient counterplay options for the Axis?
  
  
• What would you consider a balanced DLC in the context of this game? How could the game developers improve balance without sacrificing historical accuracy or gameplay variety?
  

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2025, 02:29 AMdonofsandiego

• What do you mean by "pay to win" and "pay to lose"? Can you explain how the DLC changes the balance of power between the factions?
  
  
• In your opinion, what makes a faction "stronger" or "weaker" in a game like this? Is it just about raw power or are there other factors like strategy, positioning, and unit synergy?
  
  
• You mention that the Pershing has the highest speed of 7.02. Do you think speed alone makes it superior to other units? If so, why? Furthermore, how does this speed contribute to the overall balance of the game?
  
  
• Could there be other factors, beyond speed, that make the Pershing more effective than other vehicles? What about its durability, firepower, or strategic versatility?
  
  
• In the context of historical accuracy, do you think the speed of the Pershing is realistic for the unit's role during World War 2? How might this affect the game's balance?
  
  
• You said that the Axis faction experiences "pay to lose." What specific mechanics in the DLC make the Axis factions feel weaker? Is it a result of poor design or does it reflect an imbalance between factions?
  
  
• How would you define fairness in a strategy game? Do you think the inclusion of DLCs that alter faction power affects the game's fairness, or do you think it’s more about how players adapt to the changes?
  
  
• How does the introduction of paid content influence the long-term viability of the game? Does it motivate players to strategize more and increase player engagement, or does it create frustration and turn players away?
  
  
• Do you think the game’s designers intended for one side to be stronger than the other, or was there a specific purpose behind the decision to make the Allies more powerful in this DLC?
  
  
• Could it be possible that the perception of imbalance is subjective, depending on playstyle? In what ways might different players interpret the strength of the factions differently?
  
  
• Are there ways to counter the perceived advantages of the Pershing, or does the current design lack sufficient counterplay options for the Axis?
  
  
• What would you consider a balanced DLC in the context of this game? How could the game developers improve balance without sacrificing historical accuracy or gameplay variety?
  

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2025, 04:17 AMshinasukac

pershing: 1200hp,240damage,vet3 speed 7.02,armor 300/180/90,Penetration 380/360/250,cost 690mp 180fuel 20pop
kingtiger: 1200hp,240damage,speed 3.25,armor 440/300/80,Penetration 400/350/300,half the fuel income, cost 700mp 180fuel 24pop

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2025, 05:39 AMdonofsandiego

That side armor isn't something to simply disregard, but when you lay out all the stats like this, the KT seems pretty lackluster.

My uneducated 4v4 brain says either get rid of the fuel income tax or have a quarter of the initial fuel cost for the call in.

EDIT: On second thought, 440 frontal armor is pretty tough for USF to deal with since hellcats are all about diving, no?

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2025, 06:51 AMshinasukac

Churchill Black Prince Heavy Tank
hp 1200 damage 240 speed 3 Penetration 325/300/280 armor 440/340/150

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2025, 15:49 PMdonofsandiego

The Black Prince has nothing to do with my post, as I was talking about the USF performance against heavy tanks, not Axis performance against heavy tanks.

Also, the vet ability of the King Tiger to reduce damage frontally (-25% damage at vet 1) and then another 25% reduction on side armor hits at later veterancy could theoretically make it a teamgame beast (though the side armor damage reduction is bugged rn):

(@19:55 minute mark)


Of course, that's unfortunately hamstrung by how fast games end in CoH 3...

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2025, 02:53 AMshinasukac

pershing and blackprince most attribute are same as kingtiger but why not have any fuel penalty？


usf deal with heavy tank is very easy, hellcat.

Penetration 310/250/220 damage 160
HVAP Rounds
Load HVAP rounds that increase damage and weapon penetration. Can penetrate heavy tanks frontally.

+25% damage. +50% penetration.



and how WHT and DAK deal with heavy tank?
panzer iv and panzer iii are all low penetration, marder have no-turret and slow easy to get flank
any thing better than hellcat?

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2025, 02:56 AMNigelBallsworth

dude, stfu. All I have to say is "butterfly mines". Another Axis no-skill, no-sweat ability that denies wide swaths of the field and damages infantry and armor alike.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2025, 07:38 AMshinasukac

keep a Engineer with minesweepers in the ballte ,all the mines are disabled cant explosion.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2025, 12:23 PMNigelBallsworth

Brilliant, you must be the brains here. I suppose I should keep one minesweeper with every battle group I send out to multiple engagements across the map ? And then pay special attention to keep them from getting focused fire ? Trying to clear a minefield so my troops can advance but engis being pinned by MGs and knowing that these mines will delete my tanks if I advance? Axis have all these brainless one click abilities that always seem to result in Allied having to significantly up their micro game while axis sit back and fucking cruise. Minefields upon minefields with extra minefield from the sky and reinforced barricades ? Sure. Bunkers every 2 feet? Why not. While we're at it, why not make axis troops invisible ? Amazing. By contrast, most if not all Allied abilities require extra micro again. Changeable parts on the M3, making sure some units are close enough to others to grant aura, running a fuel truck to a depot, etc... gimme a break with your "AlLiEs oP !!!"

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2025, 17:26 PMshinasukac

the butterfly mines is heavily nerf compare to coh2 butterfly


Butterfly Bomb Drop

Airdrops Butterfly Bombs on the target position that take 5 seconds to arm and become camouflaged after landing. Butterfly Bombs are stationary mines that detonate when enemy units pass over them, dealing damage to infantry and deals Crew Shock critical to vehicles. Shocked vehicles or vehicles below 50% receive Engine Damage critical.


if you not instant retreat,the mine still give you 5second to react. the coh2 butterfly bomb is intant explosion.

and from my opinion , if you cant dodge this 12sec early warning (plane fly+5s take effect) bomb drop, anyother
artillery you still cant avoid.

and you dont know what is the OP artillery, the axis op artillery is v1 rock and Anti-Tank overwatch.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2025, 23:32 PMNigelBallsworth

You're missing the point, which comes as no surprise. Axis have many more abilities that are easier to deploy and more effective than anything Allies have. With much less effort, Axis can gain exponentially more benefit, while Allies have to orchestrate multiple units and abilities just to keep up. But keep whining about how Allies are OP.