Tips to counter LMG Grens + MG42 spam?

Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2022, 19:54 PMaerafield

what mode? 1v1 or teamgames

Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2022, 20:25 PMOswaldMosley

Both.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2022, 16:23 PMBasedSecretary

Especially close range, where grens drop like flies.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2022, 14:28 PMDevM

How and why do you think Ostheer is superior to USF so you rather avoid picking the later in tournament.

It's not that USF is unplayable in tournaments but its more risky, USF NEEDS to either snowball the game or get a good enough advantage so that when they enter the mid to late game stage they can close out the game efficiently thus avoiding having to break the tough OH meta of double MG/Double Pak/Double P4/Vetted LMG grens, which without good indirect fire and with riflemen progressively fairing worse is very hard to beat. Then you compare this to the soviets that can have almost equally impressive early games, a stable mid-game and a late game that equals the OH one and you have got your answer on why players fallback into this pick. On top of all this USF also struggles versus OKW even more, meaning that if you pick USF first its not even garanteed you will get OH on the other side and just to add more fuel to the fire soviets absolutely destroy OKW.

How and why do you think Ostheer is superior to UKF so you rather avoid picking the later in tournament.

UKF has this big problem dealing with the OH sniper and at a top level almost everyone can use the sniper to a good level of proficiency, adding on top of this even if you aren't a sniper player the UKF mid-game still suffers against the current OH meta of double P4 with double Pak just because the P4 is in many situations better than the cromwell especially as they vet up, so not only do you risk straight up losing the game as early as the OH sniper gets out but you also don't have any clear point in which you are better than the OH (assuming he doesn't screw up)

How and why do you think Soviet is superior to OKW so you rather avoid picking the later in tournament.

They can actually sustain the early aggression of OKW and in many cases even win the early game because the sturmpio at a high level and in most maps can get singled out (not doing anything because its a close range unit and the soviet player not letting it get to his most effective range). Not only that but the soviet mid game versus OKW is also very solid with zis-guns/T70/dhsk or maxim which makes it impossible to close out a game efficiently and finally the cherry on top is that soviets absolutely destroy OKW late game, they have answers for everything. Rakketens? Katyusha, vet 5 volks? 7 man cons, MG? Zis-barrage or katyusha, P4 or Panther? double zis-gun and/or SU-85 and/or t34 Ram ability and/or 34-85s which pair up nicely against them. You get the point

Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2022, 19:20 PMOswaldMosley

I was playing USF, build order 2 Riflemen + mortar team, doing the usual smoke and flank on the MG42 team, but i'm struggling because I'm trying to force the MG42 to retreat or kill it, but the defending Grens are able to cut down my riflemen before I can do that. Any tips?

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 22:07 PMCODGUY

You have to go Captain for the M15 HT to overcome OST's infantry superiority. Riflemen don't cut it against Grenadiers and Panzergrens. Yes you read that right. A 240 mp unit with a 60 munition upgrade is effectively superior to a 280 mp unit that pays extra to access grenades and BARs. Horay for balance.

Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2022, 19:20 PMOswaldMosley

I was playing USF, build order 2 Riflemen + mortar team, doing the usual smoke and flank on the MG42 team, but i'm struggling because I'm trying to force the MG42 to retreat or kill it, but the defending Grens are able to cut down my riflemen before I can do that. Any tips?

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2022, 11:18 AMOKSpitfire

Yawn... BAR'd up rifleman do just fine against grens. I know you're convinced that Grenadiers are disgustingly OP but they really aren't that strong prior to being vet 3 with their LMG's. You can quite easily close the gap and overwhelm them in a lot of situations.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2022, 01:04 AMTehPowahOfWub

120muni and 280 MP (not counting sidetech timing) to remain competitive with a 240 MP 60 muni squad that comes kitted with immediate snare and free grenade with tech. They are not "distgustingly" OP but they are definitely way too much right now (and likely will remain so).

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2022, 07:40 AMOKSpitfire

but i think its a bit off to suggest that rifleman simply can't compete as Codguy said earlier in the thread.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2022, 11:18 AMOKSpitfire

Yawn... BAR'd up rifleman do just fine against grens. I know you're convinced that Grenadiers are disgustingly OP but they really aren't that strong prior to being vet 3 with their LMG's. You can quite easily close the gap and overwhelm them in a lot of situations.