OKW Flak HQ Lethality

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2021, 20:16 PMullumulu

but..this isnt an issue with the schwerer. its on bofors and other fast shjooting guns too. like ostwind, centaur, okw HT, etc .

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2021, 16:02 PMFelixTHM

The Schwer is ironically oppressive only when it's very defensive, like when he uses it in a very safe spot near his base (crossroads cutoff, for example), because in those cases there's no real counterplay.

Whenever it's used for greed (VP/fuel) it is easily punished and I've won many games by taking out a greedy schwer, so I'm generally happy enough that this trade-off exists.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2021, 20:58 PMleithianz

I always found it very annoying that it & OKW base bunkers penetrating even medium or heavy tanks.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2021, 22:19 PMLady Xenarra

You're not supposed to dive the HQ sector. There are free defenses there for a reason. Nvm the potential for running into a brand new Panther with its sights trained on you.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2021, 22:19 PMLady Xenarra

You're not supposed to dive the HQ sector. There are free defenses there for a reason. Nvm the potential for running into a brand new Panther with its sights trained on you.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2021, 22:19 PMLady Xenarra

You're not supposed to dive the HQ sector. There are free defenses there for a reason. Nvm the potential for running into a brand new Panther with its sights trained on you.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2021, 22:19 PMLady Xenarra

You're not supposed to dive the HQ sector. There are free defenses there for a reason. Nvm the potential for running into a brand new Panther with its sights trained on you.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 02:49 AMleithianz

Dive into the HQ sector with 222/AEC/t-70/Stuart etc. to chase & kill low health 1~2 model retreating squad is always a viable option. Except against OKW that is.

Yes it is a risky move, but the potential outcome of wiping a squad is sometimes risk-worthy.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 03:26 AMWilly Pete

Lol I wiped a pgren squad like 20 mins ago by chasing it into base with clown car. Clown car and engy survived. Ive done similar things with a 222

You can dive HQ with light vehicles against any other faction, but OKW is special cuz reasons

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 08:36 AMminhuh064

So by what you mean, we just let Stuka zufuss runs free?

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 10:10 AMHannibal

The defenses are there to prevent super early infantry rushes into the base, which would effectively mean that you "cap" the enemies base, denying him to retreat his squads outside as well as building new ones (since those will be outgunned heavily).

But I think OP is overexaggerating, especially with damage against heavies.. Even Against a T34s rear armor, the Flak emplacement does about ~5 DPS. There is some damage, but not an awful lot, especially since some shots will be front armor and the Emplacement quickly deleted. Still, they are the best of all emplacements in case an LV wants to enter your base for the last shot.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 10:38 AMLady Xenarra

You can do this and also not be surprised when (esp outside of 1v1) you run into a snare unit and then lose your unit for virtually nothing. The risk greatly exceeds the reward..

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 10:38 AMLady Xenarra

While that is true, we also recently had a resistance modifier added to the ambulance to prevent it being sniped by a tank dive in the HQ sector. I know OP is overexaggerating as I have seen this situation with tank vs Flak HQ/emplacement play out dozens of times.

If I had my way, you couldn't even send units into the enemy base but they met this compromise with defenses and extreme risk.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 11:01 AMleithianz

That is another story that player must concern about. I can't find any special reason for OKW to have 100% denial against light vehicle base rush.[/quote


I literally just dived a T70 into an OKW base today to kill a volk. Base defenses took less than 1/4 of the HP, and you know this as well as I do. Same thing for Stuart. You could also create a cheatmod test with a T70/Stuart and a flak emplacement and check the time to kill, but you don't need to cos you know as well as I do that it was a nonsensical exaggeration.

I've even been dived with an M5 carrying ass sections into my OKW base before. The flak emplacements can only zone out m20s and clown cars but do really laughable DPS against light tanks. I don't understand why you need to lie to get your point across.

In any case base defense positioning does need to be fixed on many maps. I remember putting a squad up against the stone fence on north Langres and killing my opponent's Riflemen at the retreat point.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 10:38 AMLady Xenarra

That's a pretty lousy Ostheer that gets trashed by a clown car, with their extra faust range grens.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 10:38 AMLady Xenarra

I too can claim that I wiped wounded Shocks in base with a 223/Luchs and use that as an argument.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 17:51 PMWilly Pete

Ok dude, thx for the compliment. Yeah it wasn't a skillful play by me at all, realizing that his grens were all engaged elsewhere. I chased a low health squad knowing it was safe to do so and got rewarded


As an argument for what? You realize this supports what im saying....? I have also dived into an HQ with a luchs and with a puma

The entire point is that you cant do this against OKW, regardless of where their army is. THe flak defenses can shred light vehicles and they are 360 unlike the bunkers

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2021, 20:27 PMShadowLinkX37

As far as the gun goes, maybe less suppression and damage for faster fire rate?

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 19:05 PMEtherealDragon

Something like this or I'd say just turn it into giant suppression platform by upping the suppression/AoE suppression and lowering the damage. That way it's less likely that you get crawlers tossing satchels/gammons but you also don't randomly gib squads at max range. At the very least I think it's far range accuracy should be reduced as I personally think it's too good at doing max range damage to squads.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2021, 18:53 PMLady Xenarra

This is going to be my last post in this thread and on this specific topic. Already off topic as is and I've said enough about the flak HQ over the years.

Okay, congratz on outplaying him and the opportunistic attack. I still think your clown car (or any LV regardless of faction) should have been shredded for doing a HQ dive but ah well.

It is not an argument because for every time it worked successfully, at least 10x have been failures, as it frankly should be.