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Infantry play used to be useless after 5 mins or LV's started rlling out, thankfully COH2 infantry play is really viable at all stages
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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Hmm, isn't body armor is sort of a bonus rec. acc. for small arms like rifles and smgs? The higher the pen, the more chance to pen the target. That's why you get higher DPS towards shocks from HMGs and LMGs then from kar98Ks and G43s.
It is very similar to armor penetration and target size. First you need to land a hit, which is (acc.* target size)*100%, then, if you land a hit, penetration chance is calculated (penetration/Armor)*100%. So if the chance to hit is 90% and chance to pen is 60% you get a combined chance to deal damage of 54%.
I think removing armor was a good thing, because it made game less complicated. The damage reduction, which Grens have (and heavy sappers??) is another story. But again, I started playing in 2019, when all that jazz was long gone.
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
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I was reading some old posts about tanks too. 80 damage on the t34's main gun? That sounds like absolute ass. And apparently ram immobilized and destroyed the main guns of both vehicles? Sounds like such a shitshow.
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
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I don't remember it destroying both parts of german tank, I think it was one or the other, but yea there were a lot of complaints about ram being very unfair.
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I was reading some old posts about tanks too. 80 damage on the t34's main gun? That sounds like absolute ass. And apparently ram immobilized and destroyed the main guns of both vehicles? Sounds like such a shitshow.
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All tanks did less damage/had more hp, its pretty silly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iDBnBXSRj4&list=PLFWa7lAuxXdje-vaDzr7eTrf54xgB9HcL&index=5
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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Holy shit, it's like they're shooting hard boiled eggs at eachother xDD
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conversely heres a elefant taking 70% of a isu152's health in one hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0bfOZqkErk&list=PLFWa7lAuxXdje-vaDzr7eTrf54xgB9HcL&index=1
Then theres a elefant bouncing off a su85's front armour at close range
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipjwhW4dadk&list=PLFWa7lAuxXdje-vaDzr7eTrf54xgB9HcL&index=2
This game has changed drastically so many times, read the early patch notes for panthers with king tiger health and 60 range @ 150 fuel, t70's that could crush infantry and isu152's with the same armour as t34's
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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This is absolutely marvelous. The fact that an SU85 took a shot from the Elephant and ended up with the roughly the same level of health as the ISU did... Did the elephant do percent damage or something?? Or were the ISU and SU85 really just that close in health?
This is really boggling my mind at this point.
It's like a fever dream where nothing makes sense.
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Im not sure I guess the balance team were trying out a lot of things early on so you saw wild swings in balance whereas now they make small changes comparatively, according to the changelog the elefants damage hasnt been more than 320 and isu's health lower than 960 but it clearly took more than 500 hp in that hit.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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All tanks did less damage/had more hp, its pretty silly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iDBnBXSRj4&list=PLFWa7lAuxXdje-vaDzr7eTrf54xgB9HcL&index=5
conversely heres a elefant taking 70% of a isu152's health in one hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0bfOZqkErk&list=PLFWa7lAuxXdje-vaDzr7eTrf54xgB9HcL&index=1
Then theres a elefant bouncing off a su85's front armour at close range
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipjwhW4dadk&list=PLFWa7lAuxXdje-vaDzr7eTrf54xgB9HcL&index=2
This game has changed drastically so many times, read the early patch notes for panthers with king tiger health and 60 range @ 150 fuel, t70's that could crush infantry and isu152's with the same armour as t34's
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the old coh2 had its charm. i guess the OG relic dev team wanted more vehicle focus especially late games.
tank battles dominated. infantry phase was short.
of course those videos look terrible for competitve screenings. But i do hope to see more armor bounces and status damages on dying hits.
makes sense when you are down to last 2 shot of health, your engine gets damage. maybe something like this can combine with abandoned more playable
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Jagdtiger had 150 range and could pierce every shotblocker to the targeted tank
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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There's no way. You're exaggerating, right?
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ISU, Elephant, and Jag could snipe you from like 3 screens away.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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How did they think that made sense in any possible universe. I can't even begin to imagine what the thought process was besides release busted unit and sell it for monetary gain.
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How did they think that made sense in any possible universe. I can't even begin to imagine what the thought process was besides release busted unit and sell it for monetary gain.
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