The devs did it again... Buffed B4 into the heaven

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2021, 07:02 AMmrgame2

i am a fan of rng and progression

i am thinking

vet0 : 25% chance of suppression per shot
vet1 : 35%
vet2 : 45%
vet3 : 60%

i dont think it is hard to get b4 to vet3 now.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2021, 06:56 AMEtherealDragon

Someone clearly didn't play during the Pak Howie/ISG suppression patch. lol

I think it would be fine to remove the suppression on B4 and call it a day. Right now the the suppression is just a cherry on top on what is otherwise fine damage. I don't think anyone thinks current damage on the 3 shells is bad by any means so the supression isn't really needed.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2021, 14:12 PMthedarkarmadillo

In that patch AUTOFIRE had supression. So you had long range, auto tracking indirect supression. That's a lot different than barrage applied supression. In timing, in duration and in counter play.

I actually thing supression on late game indirect would do well

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2021, 00:16 AMmiragefla

Here's a questions for the community as people argue about the B-4 203mm;

1. Would you prefer it to be tuned in its current iteration with stat adjustments. 3 shots with lower damage over a period of time.

or

2. Revert it back to what it was. 1 high damage shot.

Tuning the cooldown and the maybe reducing/removing the suppression would likely be priority on question 1.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jul 2021, 22:46 PMDescolata

Most on map weapons friendly fire at 5%, I believe B4 has that. Classically, i intentionally charge through my own barrages due to this. Theres a handful of weird exceptions though.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jul 2021, 23:10 PMVipper

howitzer_105mm_le_fh18_artillery_mp
friendly damage 50% of damage


m1937_152mm_ml_20_artillery_mp
friendly damage 5 HP

4_howitzer_artillery_commander_mp (old not updated)
friendly fire 16 HP

sexton_spg_squad_mp
friendly fire 14 HP

m7b1_priest_squad_mp
Friendly fire 5 HP

Do you play mostly allies?

In an case this friendly damage should be increased.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jul 2021, 23:46 PMLady Xenarra

Yeah I've been blown up by teammates who didn't think carefully about their LEFH 18 targets, ppl you do an AT with even. A consistency issue that should be fixed, Damage friendly near 80 is a squad gone within 2 distance units. I did not know the other arty pieces had such low friendly damage, but explains a lot of what I thought was 'suicidal' pushes through their own shells.

Should we be looking at increasing friendly fire damage across the table or just reducing one? Not a fan personally of ppl ignoring huge shells going off next to them but gameplay is gameplay.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2021, 00:05 AMVipper

Increasing if you ask me, I agree with you.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2021, 03:55 AMDescolata

OST has basically all the big exceptions, with the leFH being the biggest one.

The Walking Stuka does minor FF, as does the Panzerwerfer. Seriously, Pwerfer your MG next time someone rushes it and it'll walk away.

Off-maps have full Friendly Fire to my understanding

Interestingly, the UKF Base Howis count as off map, not on map and as such have full FF. I've wiped a few of my own squads with those 25 lber rounds. That's how I ended up digging up the stats you now have.

FF should be standardized. Either let us charge through the fire, or make FF a real threat. The issue is, on-map artillery is already standardized against FF and off-map artillery is standardized with FF. Mostly. That would make the game more consistent.

I'd advocate FULL DAMAGE. Bombs don't have an allegiance. Don't forget that Grenades ALSO deal minor to negligible FF.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2021, 15:14 PMthekingsown10

The B4 is in a shockingly OP state .. I am shocked that this change actually made it into release.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2021, 23:12 PMDescolata

There was no sleeping, it was even nastier in the preview. No suppression, just ludicrous damage. The current version forces players to build forward bases further back and retreat when barraged instead of lotto wipes of OG. Also, it lost SIGNIFICANT AT consistency from its preview version with near aoe range going from .5 to 0. Players just needed time to learn to play against it (counter pick commanders, respect the barrage) and for B4 spam to slowdown,which it has to the best of my understanding.

Its potentially problematic in small maps where it can easily barrage bases, but all howis have that issue.

Its current situation is due to an attempt to not homogenize it into a ML/20, leFH knockoff while preventing it from hammering tanks. So its shock arty now. Everyone hates being on the receiving end of shock arty, and as such complaints. I woukd like to see play/winrate numbers before major nerfs.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2021, 23:12 PMDescolata

There was no sleeping, it was even nastier in the preview. No suppression, just ludicrous damage. The current version forces players to build forward bases further back and retreat when barraged instead of lotto wipes of OG. Also, it lost SIGNIFICANT AT consistency from its preview version with near aoe range going from .5 to 0. Players just needed time to learn to play against it (counter pick commanders, respect the barrage) and for B4 spam to slowdown,which it has to the best of my understanding.

Its potentially problematic in small maps where it can easily barrage bases, but all howis have that issue.

Its current situation is due to an attempt to not homogenize it into a ML/20, leFH knockoff while preventing it from hammering tanks. So its shock arty now. Everyone hates being on the receiving end of shock arty, and as such complaints. I woukd like to see play/winrate numbers before major nerfs.