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Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?

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23 Jun 2021, 06:27 AM
#321
avatar of leithianz

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It's tit for tat m8. Aliied don't get to have tanks that can go against axis tanks the same way axis infantry don't get to go against allied ones.


Soviet super tanks?
JLI? Obserdaten?
23 Jun 2021, 07:10 AM
#322
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

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Soviet super tanks?
JLI? Obserdaten?

Is 2 < Tiger, Ace, KT
KV2, ISU 152 < Ele, JT

JLI < all allied Elite
Obers < all allied Elite-Guards

So yeah what were you saying m8.
23 Jun 2021, 08:46 AM
#323
avatar of Support Sapper

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JLI < all allied Elite
Obers < all allied Elite-Guards

So yeah what were you saying m8.


JLI is 1cp and a pair can facerape isolated mg.
Ober is stock and doesn't lose to guard by any mean, especially after vet 2. Tested.
23 Jun 2021, 09:54 AM
#324
avatar of Protos Angelus

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Is 2 < Tiger, Ace, KT
KV2, ISU 152 < Ele, JT

JLI < all allied Elite
Obers < all allied Elite-Guards

So yeah what were you saying m8.


You can test the obers at vet2 they rape anything mainline and all elites at long range.
JLI are more than decent. One of the better light infantry.

And the argument "Axis have better tanks cause allies have better infantry" is braindead at best. Complete moronic cretin argument if we're being honest, because not only is it false, painstakingly obviously wrong, but also shows the level of this forum
23 Jun 2021, 10:15 AM
#325
avatar of redfox

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Come on, let this guy imagine some easy patterns, the world's gonna be too complex for him otherwise.
23 Jun 2021, 11:11 AM
#326
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I'm not sure why IS-2 is so terrible against infantry now. There's been so much overnerfing and overbuffing things, least of all heavy tanks.
23 Jun 2021, 11:56 AM
#327
avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

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JLI < all allied Elite
Obers < all allied Elite-Guards


Post playercard
23 Jun 2021, 16:15 PM
#328
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

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JLI is 1cp and a pair can facerape isolated mg.
Ober is stock and doesn't lose to guard by any mean, especially after vet 2. Tested.

That's why I said "-Guards" as in minus Guards.
23 Jun 2021, 16:16 PM
#329
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

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Post playercard

OK do try to go 1v1 with g43 JLI vs other Allied elite infantry then. Tell me how it turns out.
23 Jun 2021, 16:24 PM
#330
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

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You can test the obers at vet2 they rape anything mainline and all elites at long range.
JLI are more than decent. One of the better light infantry.

And the argument "Axis have better tanks cause allies have better infantry" is braindead at best. Complete moronic cretin argument if we're being honest, because not only is it false, painstakingly obviously wrong, but also shows the level of this forum

You can also test
Vet2 lmg ober vs vet2 lmg Paras or vet 2 2xbren Mandos at long range to see who wins btw.

And no it's not brain dead. Cause That is not what I said, I said Allied Tanks can't 1v1 their counter parts cause 1 all allied factions have both 60 range TD's and ATG's. Axis has don't have both, Ost has 60 range TD but not a 60 Range TD and vice versa for OKW.
Much in the same way axis infantry can't 1v1 their counter parts Because MG42 and MG34.

Understand What I am trying to first you moron.
23 Jun 2021, 16:32 PM
#331
avatar of redfox

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Ost has 60 range TD but not a 60 Range TD and vice versa for OKW.


What on earth are you saying?


Understand What I am trying to first you moron.


No one can understand anything you say with that level of articulation of a 3 year old.
23 Jun 2021, 16:40 PM
#332
avatar of KoRneY

Posts: 682

jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 06:40 AMredfox


Would you mind elaborating on the significance of this for this thread? Or is it random facts day?


If you haven't figured it out yet, it's probably because each faction can build other shit besides tigers and Pershings, since, you know, they're 11 CP and require t4 and you'll probably build something else other than the re or pioneer that you start with.

Unless you're envisioning a tiger and Pershing squaring off against each other because that's totally how it always goes, yeah?
23 Jun 2021, 16:53 PM
#333
avatar of redfox

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Yeah, so? That argument can easily be inverted, since axis have the overall strongest AT units (Elephant and JT). So no reason for the Pershing to be so squishy if its the best USF can field as a tank.

I propose you sit down, make up your mind and try to formulate a properly argumented thought. Otherwise it will remain random facts day.
23 Jun 2021, 18:14 PM
#334
avatar of KoRneY

Posts: 682

Stock units are inevitable, units from other doctrines are not. You want me to help you learn the game some more?
23 Jun 2021, 18:49 PM
#335
avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

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OK do try to go 1v1 with g43 JLI vs other Allied elite infantry then. Tell me how it turns out.




This is how it turned out.

Now, post playercard.
23 Jun 2021, 18:51 PM
#336
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He’s right about LMG Paras defeating LMG Obers vet for vet but it’s a nasty clusterfuck of firepower. Brenmandos OTOH not such good odds.
23 Jun 2021, 18:52 PM
#337
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

Posts: 1563





This is how it turned out.

Now, post playercard.

I told to go Fight with a single JLI unit vs a single Allied elite unit with out any kind of support. Not to play a 1v1 and see how it turns out if you pick either Overwatch or Scavenge dude. How can you miss understand that.
23 Jun 2021, 18:54 PM
#338
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

Posts: 1563

He’s right about LMG Paras defeating LMG Obers vet for vet but it’s a nasty clusterfuck of firepower. Brenmandos OTOH not such good odds.

Each Bren on mandos have near about the same max range dps as a single Ober lmg (12 v 14). Without Mandos should win at any range with vet not so sure.
23 Jun 2021, 18:55 PM
#339
avatar of redfox

Posts: 92

jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2021, 18:14 PMKoRneY
Stock units are inevitable, units from other doctrines are not. You want me to help you learn the game some more?


Sure! But did you know that a vet3 P4 has 234.0 frontal armor? What other cool facts without context can you give? I'm game!
23 Jun 2021, 19:08 PM
#340
avatar of thedarkarmadillo

Posts: 5279


I told to go Fight with a single JLI unit vs a single Allied elite unit with out any kind of support. Not to play a 1v1 and see how it turns out if you pick either Overwatch or Scavenge dude. How can you miss understand that.
. That's not how JLI are supposed to be used though. That's like saying to test shocks at max range vs german elites. It's an intentionally biased test and poor form. You are better than that.
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