It never works for me. OK vs noobs but if the opponents are good the kv8 is just worthless. It is an anti-infantry tank, yet it loses to them???
Why does the kv8 have so little armor and HP>? Isnt it a kv1 with a flame thrower gun>?
Just weird. Seems not worth to be the 145 fuel.
kv8 underperforms
3 Apr 2021, 11:23 AM
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3 Apr 2021, 12:01 PM
#2
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Not sure which infantry you're talking about that it loses to. Frontally even double schrek infantry are BBQ very quickly. The only real threat I can think of from inf AT is a 6 schreck blob, but no good+ player runs 3 x double schrek pzgrens last I checked anyway.
It's got 260 armor, 960 hp, that's literally Panther durability. KV-1 has 270 armor and 1000 hp-effective in the current game.
It's got 260 armor, 960 hp, that's literally Panther durability. KV-1 has 270 armor and 1000 hp-effective in the current game.
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3 Apr 2021, 12:12 PM
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It would help knowing how u use it
Do you stick around corners, play in CQB, have troops ahead of it and use it mostly defensively to protect your units from blobs, only occasionaly rushing into a lonely AT when ur full health?
In that case it should work
If you get agressive, rush from max range or against multiple prepared AT guns, it dies superfast indeed
Its not a no-brainer, always get it, kind of unit, but I had mostly positive experience with it
Do you stick around corners, play in CQB, have troops ahead of it and use it mostly defensively to protect your units from blobs, only occasionaly rushing into a lonely AT when ur full health?
In that case it should work
If you get agressive, rush from max range or against multiple prepared AT guns, it dies superfast indeed
Its not a no-brainer, always get it, kind of unit, but I had mostly positive experience with it
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3 Apr 2021, 12:23 PM
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its a kv1 with flame gun so it should have the same stats
3 Apr 2021, 13:09 PM
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the KV8 is pretty good in 1v1s because you can wreck havoc on the enemy and there's no magical panzershrek blob to cheese you, if there is, then they lack some AI infantry.
in team games, the KV-8 gets easily caught up and gets damaged by panzershreks, AT guns, hell even tank ambushes. Imo the KV-8 could do better against blobs, but your best bet is to just prolong engagements for manpower draining
in team games, the KV-8 gets easily caught up and gets damaged by panzershreks, AT guns, hell even tank ambushes. Imo the KV-8 could do better against blobs, but your best bet is to just prolong engagements for manpower draining
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3 Apr 2021, 13:48 PM
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I see a lot of wild kv8 use in team games. Just wandering into at killzones, still doing heavy damage, but anyone with a brain would know that the kv8 wasn't coming out alive.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
3 Apr 2021, 19:06 PM
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its a kv1 with flame gun so it should have the same statsit roughly does. Except it's filled with fuel so it goes boom a bit faster.
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4 Apr 2021, 03:28 AM
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It never works for me. OK vs noobs but if the opponents are good the kv8 is just worthless. It is an anti-infantry tank, yet it loses to them???
Why does the kv8 have so little armor and HP>? Isnt it a kv1 with a flame thrower gun>?
Just weird. Seems not worth to be the 145 fuel.
Its a good tank but you need to use Mortars (or any smoke ability) to Smoke in/out of engagements to keep it alive. If you can get it to Vet 2/3 the movement speed bonuses start to kick in which make it shine as an ambush tank.
5 Apr 2021, 06:12 AM
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Posts: 112
The kv8 is underperforming. bringing the HP and armor to kv1 level makes sense
5 Apr 2021, 08:34 AM
#10
Posts: 176
The kv8 is underperforming. bringing the HP and armor to kv1 level makes sense
May be make it Soviet version of Croc Churchill?
5 Apr 2021, 08:46 AM
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The kv8 is underperforming. bringing the HP and armor to kv1 level makes sense
that's why it basically has the same hp and armor as the regular kv-1 already...
It's got 260 armor, 960 hp, that's literally Panther durability. KV-1 has 270 armor and 1000 hp-effective in the current game.
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5 Apr 2021, 09:33 AM
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it doesnt have the same hp and armor
5 Apr 2021, 10:25 AM
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it doesnt have the same hp and armor
it does for all intents and purposes. the difference is so insignificant you wouldn't even notice
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5 Apr 2021, 11:04 AM
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K8 is very strong. You have to support it. Don't expect for it to do all the work for you. Support it with an SU85 for AT and some infantry and you'll see the enemy burn.
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5 Apr 2021, 12:36 PM
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I do notice the difference, and if the difference was "insignificant" they wouldnt have lowered it to that amount.
5 Apr 2021, 12:49 PM
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you wouldn't even know the exact difference if Lady Xenarra hadn't kindly spelled it out for you. neither do you seem to have any clue what these numbers mean in terms of survivability.
anyways, the kv-8 is fine and doesn't need more armor or more firepower. it also may not be the best choice in every game mode and on every map, but it certainly has its use.
anyways, the kv-8 is fine and doesn't need more armor or more firepower. it also may not be the best choice in every game mode and on every map, but it certainly has its use.
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5 Apr 2021, 13:10 PM
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I do notice the difference, and if the difference was "insignificant" they wouldnt have lowered it to that amount.
How exactly do you use it? Because calling KV8 UP is laughable at best. Area denial with ground attack, good AI, good survivability, in good commanders, great synergy with SU85, can go vs LVs and even some like Ostwind with the 40mm. What more could you want?
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5 Apr 2021, 13:21 PM
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/moved to lobby
This is not a proper balance thread at all. If you want to suggest a rebalance of a unit, put effort into your suggestion.
This is not a proper balance thread at all. If you want to suggest a rebalance of a unit, put effort into your suggestion.
5 Apr 2021, 13:50 PM
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what effort>? the unit has lower stats than kv1, nothing more needs to be said
5 Apr 2021, 14:56 PM
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It is an anti-infantry tank, yet it loses to them???
you should try to shoot with your flamer at the infantry. helps alot
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